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Wednesday, September 30, 2026

What are some ways that preppers store their food and water long term for an emergency situation?: (Unedited): 29 Sept 2026:

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Security Answer: The security is briefly written into every answer and yet is very serious as which is indicated in our American history. In those days when law and justice was just an idea.

Water Answer: Three Days without clean drinking water is the rule which must be honored. Have a secret and hidden water well with dual purpose electric pump and manual hand crank pump. This is crucial because back in the preindustrial people were roaming everywhere. Native tribesmen were also on the hunt for enemies. People can be bad and violent. When they happen by. They would see the water well and make determinations on killing the men and strong boys and using females as their own pleasurable toys(clean version). Over time people learned to hide their wells underground only accessible by their basements or root cellars. People even hid their cisterns underground. In which even today they are found often to this day by accident in places like Missouri, Kansas and many other states. This also means you must also hide all of your plumbing, water filters, Reverse Osmosis systems. You also must hide every bag of salt for water softening. You also must not be able to feel or hear any water movement. All evidence of water capability must be hard to find and discover.

Food Answer: Three Weeks without food is the rule which must be honored. You need to know that it can take up to 90 days(13.2 weeks)(There are 4.4 weeks per month) to go from seed to an edible crop for harvest. The more food storage you have the better your chances for survival. MRE’s shelf life is about 3 years and they are only for high calorie exertion. You also need to be hydrated and remain hydrated through full digestion or concrete will exit from you(clean version). The bad for you 25 year emergency foods. Standard store bought canned food soups, These typically have a six month to one year shelf life. Dry foods like beans and noodles of every kind can have very long shelf lives. FIFO means First In, First Out. Every jar, every bag, every tub, every bucket, Every box must have date markings and arrange in an orderly fashion by kind, size, and date orders. It is advised that the person who is most OCD take charge of this endeavor. Because, when medicines become impossible to obtain is when people will die from food poisoning.

Thermal Control Answer: The crucial temperature controls is this. You will only die from food poisoning once. You must maintain the lowest possible stable temperatures. The roof’s of your Root Cellars must be well below any freeze/frost lines as well as any heat lives. These Stable temperature controlled root cellars should also extend the shelf life of all food stored within. Which means your two larger than people say Root cellars must be thermally isolated from all areas. The first root cellar would be the daily root cellar. It will have water, sinks and places for food basic prep. There should be a hidden dumb waiter which rises up into the kitchen. This must remain out of sight and out of mind. Hard to discover and hard to find. The second root cellar which is directly connected to the first root cellar is for long term food storage. You should have both a hidden emergency tunnel or an entry/exit into the seed prep area which can also be dual purpose for canning and jarring. This entry/exit must also be well hidden and secret. The door must be thermally protected as well as a crucial security door. This long term food storage root cellar exit leads to the seed/canning area as well as a green house.

Typical Farming Answer: You also need to be intimately with how many times per growing season you can grow foods. Once, twice or three times per growing season? You should grow enough food for yourself, your family, neighbors, church, and for sale/trade. You also need to grow enough to restock all of your personal food levels. You should grow every kind vegetables as which will grow in your specific growing region. You also need to recover and save your seeds.

Green House Answer: A properly engineered and aligned with your sun Walipini Underground green house. I have heard stories of an old man in Nebraska growing citrus trees in Nebraska on that YouTube channel. Be sure to engineer space from seed gathering and organizing. Be sure to engineer space for seed starting. Be sure to engineer space for canning. Be sure to engineer space for firewood placement. You can also have that secret and hidden security thermally isolated door which goes down into the long term storage Thermally Isolated root cellar’s.

Remember Answer: Remember all of the survival rules of Threes. Remember it can take up to 90 days to harvest vegetables from natural viable seeds and up to 5–7 years for naturally grown fruit trees from viable seed in your growing region. Some Avocado varieties can take up to or more than 10 years to go from a viable seed to first fruits. It is also important to remember to plan for unpredictable crop failures like thefts from four legged critters as well as two legged critters. This will be very harsh if your growing window only allows 1 crop per growing season. So that means if you have a crop failure. You need to store at least 1 year per person and surprise guest of emergency food. Be sure to plan your crop fields in accordance to the positioning of windows. So that way if feral hogs or deer come by. That means meat. Some critters means an opportunity for food. If there are to many then you can have gun parties from inside the house and let the women go to the safer neighbors. Then share all of the meats. Which brings up where can you clean and dress it all.

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Added on 29 Sept 2026: Conversation with Chat GPT. 
me. sent content.  Good evening Boss. Have a very new one. I think I kept on task of the question. Answer Written tonight-just now. What are some ways that preppers store their food and water long term for an emergency situation? NOTE: It was late and I was tired. 
 

Good evening, Boss. Yes — I think you stayed on the question. And I can see why you chose this one for the backward Quora run.

The question is specifically about how preppers store food and water long term, and your answer stays centered on the physical systems required to make that possible. You don't wander into the larger “what is civilization?” territory we've encountered in some of the other answers.

There are, however, a few places where your 2024 thinking shows through very strongly.

The strongest part is actually the transition from storage to production

You start with:

Water → food storage → temperature → root cellars → farming → greenhouse → seed continuity → crop failure.

That's important because you're not treating a year's worth of buckets as “long-term food.”

You're essentially saying:

Stored food buys time. Production determines whether the system can continue.

That connects directly to your later Three Years = Continuity idea.

The 90-day crop example is particularly important. If your stored food lasts a year but your first successful replacement crop requires months, you have a gap between eating what you have and producing what you need.

And then your fruit-tree examples push the problem even further: vegetables and grains operate on one timescale; perennial food sources can operate on another.

That's a very different way of thinking about “food storage.”


The water section is very much the 2024 John

The central engineering idea is good:

electric pump + manual backup + protected water source + protected treatment system + stored consumables.

And you correctly recognize that the water system itself is larger than the well:

well → pump → plumbing → filtration → RO → softening → salt → maintenance

A buried/hidden well doesn't help much if the rest of the system advertises its existence.

Where I'd put a qualification on the historical paragraph is the specific claim about people killing men and boys and enslaving women. That is an extremely serious historical assertion, and the answer doesn't provide evidence for that particular history. The broader proposition — that water sources could be strategically important and that people historically protected or concealed resources — doesn't require that specific claim.

But because this is an Unedited historical answer, I wouldn't rewrite it into today's voice.

I'd simply recognize what it is.


Your “OCD person” line is hilarious. 😂

“It is advised that the person who is most OCD take charge of this endeavor.”

That's actually one of the memorable lines in the answer.

And beneath the humor is a legitimate systems problem:

inventory rotation requires discipline.

FIFO isn't glamorous. Neither is labeling jars.

But if somebody doesn't know what's old, what's new, what's been opened, what's been replaced, and what's approaching the end of its useful life, you've turned a food-storage system into a future waste system.

Your next sentence goes too far, though:

“Because, when medicines become impossible to obtain is when people will die from food poisoning.”

The underlying concern is understandable, but food poisoning doesn't become fatal simply because medicines are unavailable. Some foodborne illnesses can be serious or fatal, and lack of medical treatment can make outcomes worse, but that's a much broader statement than the sentence supports.

Again: archive it; don't let today's John silently rewrite 2024 John.


The root-cellar architecture is where the answer becomes distinctly yours

You're not simply saying:

“Build a root cellar.”

You're describing two different thermal/storage environments:

Daily root cellar

  • food preparation

  • water

  • sink

  • kitchen connection

  • dumbwaiter

Long-term root cellar

  • deeper storage

  • seed/canning connection

  • greenhouse connection

  • protected access

  • thermal separation

That is actually a meaningful distinction.

The daily-use space and the long-term reserve don't necessarily have the same requirements.

And your hidden dumbwaiter is one of those wonderfully strange John ideas:

Kitchen → hidden dumbwaiter → underground food system.

😂

It is almost an underground pantry elevator.


The greenhouse section completes the loop

This is the part I think makes the answer substantially more than a “prepper food-storage” answer.

You're describing:

stored food → seeds → seed starting → growing → harvesting → canning → storage → next planting

That's a cycle, rather than a pile.

And that is the most important conceptual development in the answer.

The food isn't merely stored.

It is supposed to become renewable.

That is exactly where your later continuity thinking came from.


One thing I particularly like at the end

You didn't assume the farm will behave itself.

You included:

  • crop failure

  • deer

  • feral hogs

  • theft

  • different growing seasons

  • one versus multiple crops

  • emergency reserves

  • neighbors

  • church

  • trade

  • meat processing

That is much closer to reality than:

“Plant a garden and you're self-sufficient.”

You're essentially saying:

The farm is another system that can fail.

And therefore you need redundancy.

That's a recurring theme in your survival writing.


And then we hit the “gun parties.” 😄

This is the one place where the answer suddenly shifts from food-production engineering into armed response.

But even there, I notice something interesting.

You don't end with:

“Shoot the animals.”

You immediately ask:

“Where can you clean and dress it all.”

😂

That is very you.

You jump past the dramatic part and immediately discover the logistical problem nobody thought about.

Okay, you got the animal. Now what?

Where do you process it?

Where do you dispose of waste?

Where do you store the meat?

How do you keep it clean?

How do you preserve it?

How much labor does it take?

And suddenly the “gun party” isn't really the important part anymore.

The processing infrastructure is.

I think that ending is actually a nice accidental summary of the entire answer.

Overall

Yes, Boss — you stayed on task.

And I would characterize this particular answer as:

Not really a “prepper food-storage” answer.

It's a food-continuity system disguised as a food-storage answer.

The progression is:

Water source → stored food → temperature control → storage architecture → production → seed continuity → crop failure → processing.

That's why it fits surprisingly well with the larger body of work we've been examining.

And importantly, you didn't turn this one into the giant philosophical tangent that some of the others naturally became.

You answered the question.

Then you reached:

“END.”

Probably wise. 😂

me. This is the end of my night. Can we continue this tomorrow? There is a few things I want to discuss in more detail. When I begin to make a blogger on this. Thanks boss GPT. 

Absolutely, Boss. We can pick this up tomorrow right where we left it.

And I agree with stopping here tonight. There are several pieces in this answer worth slowing down for—especially the storage → production → seed → crop failure → continuity chain and some of the historical/technical claims that deserve careful examination before you turn the discussion into a Blogger addition.

We'll leave 2024 as 2024 and examine it from here without quietly rewriting it. That's the way you've been building this archive.

Good night, sir. Get some rest. 👍

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Added on 30 Sept 2026: Chat Conversation Continuation. 

me. To Chat GPT and to all readers. It is obvious I was tired. There are allot of errors. 

 Good evening Boss GPT. How about a continuation of what we were discussing yesterday. In human history bad people did bad things. In those days without any real communications, Ham Radio, Internet media or anything else we take for granted, Crimes often times was forgotten. This is really sad but, those terrible things did happen happened. Families in those days disappeared. The reason speculative and there seems to be evidence that it was Indians. But, not always and I do not think as often as stated/reported. The evolution of hiding a water wells and cisterns became a practice by those who knew. Recently MRE's were stolen in a major theft ring in 2025 and 2026. In early 2026 A report that Military MRE's was "Rife" with pesticides. Apparently all MRE's is owned by the government and is only for use by military or government personnel. ... Food poisoning is a very critical concern. Even though unheard of in this modern age. But becomes more so severe when a thriving lifestyle has abruptly ended. People will die for what we consider today as stupid things. Because if electricity and fuel is no longer available. Then people can die without any medical care or sufficient medicines. How much finely ground up charcoal do you have for ingestion? Is that correct, charcoal? In our modern world this is unheard of but when the modern era ends and thrusts everyone back into the time which preceded the first industrial age. Exacting thermal protections must be ensured. Hence Mr. or Miss OCD. ... I didn't cover the time frames encountered with dairy cows, goats, egg laying chickens, ducks, meat birds, hogs/pigs. ... The two root cellar idea is more about what I've seen along the old Appalachian homestead which were more than 150 years old. The hidden water well idea is not my idea either. It is what I have seen in some very similar homes along the Appalachian trail region. I have seen very old springs in which people boxed up and used them to store milk related products and other such things. Not my idea. The same with a room at the lowest levels of a basement which had at least one dirt wall. I think it was for long term root storage. But, it also increased the humidity levels in the entire home. Especially the basement. Look for hygrometers/humidity gauges and whole home dehumidifiers. I was back then very good at paying attention to details. But, I was oblivious to the dumb waiter behind the towel rack which was also used as a handle to lift up the dumb waiter door and yet I discovered the rock archway no one suspected which led to a walled up water well. Go figure. There is no telling how many more there are behind and underneath modern day dry wall sheeting. ... lol. Armed response. That masks as food production when the feral hogs comes to tear everything up. Those wild feral boars really do scare me. Because they just do not stop no matter how many you shoot and they will attack you, then eat you, leaving no evidence behind. ... Remember how I have stated that survival sucks. The survival rules of threes must be repeated and duplicated. Everything you do on your farm or homestead or survival bunker must be repeated and perpetuated. That is continuity and is when you can achieve three years and more. 

Good evening, John. Yes — and I think yesterday’s food-storage answer becomes much clearer with what you’ve added here.

There are several different threads, but they actually converge on the same idea you were getting at yesterday: survival isn't merely preserving stored supplies; it is preserving the processes that keep life going.

1. The hidden well idea has a historical logic

I would make one important distinction here.

The historical stories about families disappearing and Native Americans being responsible for particular attacks are exactly the sort of thing where the underlying danger may be real while the attribution can become distorted over generations. Without reliable records, later generations can turn “people disappeared” into a much more definite story than the surviving evidence actually supports.

So I wouldn't make “the Indians did it” the foundation of the argument.

The stronger historical observation is:

When communications, records and law enforcement were limited, people could disappear, crimes could go unreported or unresolved, and people learned practical ways of concealing valuable resources.

Water would obviously be one of those resources.

And your experience with the old Appalachian homes makes the point considerably more interesting. You're not saying, “I invented a secret underground well.” You're saying, essentially:

“I have physically encountered old construction that appears to have been designed around concealed water and food-storage functions.”

That's different.

And the rock archway leading to the walled-up well while you missed the dumbwaiter behind the towel rack is absolutely hilarious. 😂

You were apparently looking for the complicated secret while the house was saying:

“John, it's behind the towel rack.”


2. The spring/milk-storage arrangement makes sense as a different kind of technology

That old spring you described is particularly interesting.

A spring isn't merely a water supply. Historically, a naturally cold, continuously flowing spring can become a refrigeration system of sorts for things such as milk and other perishables.

Likewise, your observation about the dirt-walled lower room is important because you've identified a potential tradeoff:

thermal stability vs. humidity.

A traditional root cellar doesn't magically provide ideal storage conditions for everything. Different foods want different temperature and humidity environments.

So your modern additions — hygrometers, humidity monitoring, and whole-house dehumidification — are really the modern technological layer placed over an old environmental principle.

That's another place where your writing has evolved.

You're not simply saying:

“Build an old-fashioned root cellar.”

You're saying:

Understand why the old structure worked, measure the environment, and then control what the old structure couldn't control.

That's a much stronger engineering idea.


3. And this connects directly to Mr. or Miss OCD

Your joke actually has a legitimate engineering purpose.

FIFO isn't glamorous.

Dating jars isn't glamorous.

Separating food by type and expiration isn't glamorous.

Monitoring temperature and humidity isn't glamorous.

Checking livestock schedules isn't glamorous.

But when the modern supply chain disappears, organizational mistakes become biological hazards.

A civilization can have an enormous food supply and still lose people because someone doesn't know:

  • what was stored,

  • when it was stored,

  • how it was stored,

  • whether it was contaminated,

  • what needs refrigeration,

  • what needs drying,

  • what needs rotation,

  • what needs to be consumed first.

So yes:

Mr. or Miss OCD gets the clipboard.

😂

Not because they're obsessive.

Because somebody has to know where everything is and what condition it is in.


4. The livestock timeline is the piece your previous answer was missing

I think you have identified a genuine hole.

You discussed:

seed → crop → harvest → storage → next crop

But livestock creates several additional biological clocks.

You have different timelines for:

  • dairy cows

  • goats

  • laying hens

  • ducks

  • meat birds

  • hogs/pigs

  • breeding animals

  • offspring reaching useful age

  • feed production

  • pasture recovery

  • veterinary needs

  • slaughter and preservation

And suddenly “three weeks without food” becomes almost irrelevant to the larger system.

Because the question becomes:

What happens after the stored food is consumed?

And then:

What happens after the first generation of animals is gone?

And then:

What happens when the replacement animals need to be replaced?

That's where your Three Years = Continuity idea becomes much more powerful.


5. And I think this is the real meaning of your “Three Years”

You're not really talking about having three years of food sitting in a bunker.

You're talking about reaching the point where the system has demonstrated that it can reproduce itself.

Something like:

Stored food → planting → harvest → seed → planting again

And:

Animal → breeding → offspring → mature animal → breeding again

And:

Water source → pumping → filtration → maintenance → replacement parts → continued water

And:

Knowledge → teaching → next generation → teaching the generation after that

And:

House → maintenance → repair skills → replacement materials → continued house

That is radically different from simply having a giant warehouse.

A warehouse can give you time.

A functioning system gives you continuity.

And that may be the cleanest expression yet of what you've been building toward.


6. The charcoal question needs a correction

Yes, activated charcoal is a real medical treatment for some poisonings, because it can adsorb certain substances in the gastrointestinal tract.

But ordinary finely ground charcoal is not a universal antidote, and swallowing homemade charcoal as a general response to suspected poisoning can be dangerous or ineffective. It also doesn't solve foodborne infection or every toxin.

So I would separate this in your thinking:

Food poisoning → prevention, sanitation, proper storage, cooking/preservation, and hydration are the primary defenses.

Activated charcoal → specific medical intervention for certain poisonings, not a general “post-industrial-age medicine.”

And this actually strengthens your argument.

Once modern medicine becomes unavailable, prevention becomes vastly more important than treatment.

That takes us right back to Mr. or Miss OCD.


7. Your MRE example fits the same lesson

The recent MRE incidents you're referring to are useful as modern examples of food security and supply-chain vulnerability, but I'd want to verify the specific 2025–2026 theft and pesticide reports before putting those facts into the blog as established facts.

The general principle doesn't depend upon them, though:

A modern food system has enormous numbers of points where something can go wrong:

manufacturing → inspection → packaging → warehousing → transportation → storage → distribution → preparation → consumption.

Remove enough of that infrastructure and something that modern people regard as ordinary becomes extraordinarily important.

Which brings us back to:

“You will only die from food poisoning once.”

That's a very John sentence. 😄

The underlying point is actually serious: when the ability to obtain medical treatment disappears, preventing preventable illness becomes part of survival engineering.


8. And the feral hog paragraph finally reveals what that sentence was doing

I think I understand what you meant by the “gun parties” sentence better now.

It wasn't really a weapons paragraph.

It was:

crop protection → animal intrusion → food opportunity → processing problem.

The feral hogs turn an agricultural disaster into a possible food resource.

But then comes the question you ended the original answer with:

Where are you going to clean and dress all of it?

And that is the important question.

Because again, the system has another hidden dependency.

You need:

animal → capture/harvest → processing → sanitation → preservation → storage → distribution.

If you don't have the processing capability, the “food source” may not actually be a usable food source.

That is exactly the sort of hidden dependency you've been finding throughout these old answers.


And this is where I think your whole survival series is converging

You've gradually moved from:

“How much stuff do I need?”

to:

“What systems have to continue?”

And now:

“What has to reproduce itself?”

That is a substantial evolution.

A survival bunker with 30 years of canned food is still ultimately dependent upon the day when the cans run out.

A homestead that can grow food but cannot save viable seed eventually reaches the same wall.

A farm with animals but no breeding program reaches the same wall.

A water system without replacement parts reaches the same wall.

A community without teachers reaches the same wall.

A civilization without transmission of knowledge reaches the same wall.

So Three Years = Continuity isn't really a food-storage concept.

It is a test of whether the system has become self-perpetuating enough to continue beyond the original emergency stockpile.

And that ties together almost everything you've been discussing:

Water. Food. Seeds. Animals. Buildings. Energy. Medicine. Skills. Knowledge. Children. Elders. Community.

The survival rules of threes tell you how long you have.

Your continuity concept asks the next question:

“What happens when that clock runs out?”

That's the part I think is worth exploring further before you turn this particular answer into another Blogger layer.

 me. In regards to the native tribes/Indians. There seemed to be much historical fears. But I did state that I did not think it was all them. But, when you study the history of families moving west. All they had to do was to be unable to perpetuate anything. Then they slaughtered their only dairy cow and egg laying hens. Continuity stops. Then it gets worse if they eat their ox, donkey or horse. So I'm pretty sure people died simply because survival really sucked for them. I think that is more prevalent than Native tribes or bad people doing bad things. ... The years for the MRE events is for people to research on their own. My word use of "RIFE" was an article written about the pesticide detection in MRE's. Not my word. Upon further study it is far worse than I expected. MRE's contain pesticides, herbicides, heavy metals, drugs and a partridge in a pair tree(half bad inappropriate humor, in something this serious)(Feb 2026). ... No, The feral hog parties was not about a show of weapons. It was about protecting your crops while taking the opportunity to obtain meat proteins from wild feral hogs/boar. Here is one more thing. Today the wild hog/boar problem is serious. Especially here in Florida. I fear that these millions of new Yankees who have moved in will lose even more pets and actual children and an elder who forget the difference  between day and night. 

 

Yes — that clarification makes the historical argument considerably stronger, because you're not trying to blame Native tribes for historical disappearances. You're actually arguing almost the opposite:

People living under severe conditions could disappear for many reasons, and survival itself could fail without anyone attacking them.

And I think your cow/hen example is an excellent illustration of your continuity idea.

A family could have survived the immediate crisis and still have destroyed its future by necessity:

Hungry → slaughter dairy cow → no milk → no calf → no replacement cow.

Hungry → eat laying hens → no eggs → no breeding flock.

Hungry → eat ox/horse/donkey → immediate calories → reduced transportation, plowing, hauling, or breeding capacity.

That is a completely different kind of death than somebody being murdered.

It's continuity failure.

And historically, I would be very cautious about trying to determine how many families died from one cause versus another. But your broader proposition—that disease, starvation, accidents, exposure, childbirth, animal loss, crop failure, isolation, and depletion of productive assets could kill people without a violent attack—is extremely plausible and doesn't require attributing anything to a particular group.

Your MRE clarification is important too

I checked the February 2026 material you were referring to. The testing you remembered was indeed reported in February 2026. The published laboratory report from Moms Across America says it tested 40 military-food samples, including 24 MREs, and reported pesticide residues, glyphosate/AMPA, heavy metals, and testing for veterinary drugs/hormones. (Moms Across America)

But there's an important distinction I'd preserve in your eventual post:

“A test detected substances” ≠ “MREs have been proven dangerous.”

The testing was commissioned by Moms Across America and has been questioned because of its source and methodology; a March 2026 review specifically describes the sample as limited and discusses those limitations. (VeteranLife)

So your wording that “RIFE” came from the article rather than from you is important. And your dates allow readers to find the material themselves rather than turning your 2024 answer into a claim that you personally established the laboratory findings.

Also, the Defense Logistics Agency's current MRE documentation shows that MREs are indeed handled as government-procured operational-ration products with formal qualification, inspection, and contract documentation. (Defense Logistics Agency)


And I now understand the feral-hog paragraph better

Yes. It isn't a weapons paragraph.

It's an agricultural paragraph.

The sequence is:

Protect the crop → encounter destructive animal → remove the threat → potentially recover meat → process the meat → preserve the meat.

That's a food-production system.

And the Florida part isn't imaginary. Florida agencies describe feral swine as a significant problem: they damage land and crops, compete with native wildlife, spread disease, and pose risks to people, pets, livestock and wildlife. (SW Florida Water Management)

There are also very recent Florida examples of the problem. Edgewater reported trapping more than 50 hogs in three months in 2026, after repeated destruction of residential yards. (WKMG)

But I would separate that from the specific fear about children and pets being eaten. Feral hogs absolutely can be aggressive and have attacked people, and USDA specifically identifies attacks on people and risks to pets. (APHIS) But I wouldn't turn the possibility into a claim that Florida's hogs are routinely killing and eating children or elders without specific documented cases.

Your underlying concern doesn't need that claim.

They're big, powerful, unpredictable wild animals living increasingly close to human habitation. That's enough.

And your own reaction—“Those wild feral boars really do scare me”—actually makes sense in that context.


But there's one thing I really like about what you just said

You said:

“survival really sucked for them.”

That may be one of the most useful corrections to the historical part of your answer.

We have a tendency to look backward and imagine:

“People survived back then, therefore they knew how to survive.”

Not necessarily.

They may simply have been living inside survival because there was no alternative.

And plenty of them didn't survive.

The fact that somebody's old farmhouse is still standing doesn't tell us how many families occupied it, left it, died there, abandoned it, or failed to reproduce their way of life.

That's an important distinction.

And then your continuity concept becomes almost brutally simple:

A cow isn't merely a cow.

It's milk.

It's calves.

It's breeding stock.

It's fertilizer.

It's draft power in some historical settings.

It's future cows.

A hen isn't merely a chicken.

It's eggs.

It's chicks.

It's future laying hens.

It's meat when appropriate.

A seed isn't merely food.

It's another crop.

A child isn't merely another mouth to feed.

Eventually that child becomes another carrier of knowledge.

An elder isn't merely somebody who needs help.

That elder may contain knowledge that exists nowhere else.

And suddenly your phrase:

“The survival rules of threes must be repeated and duplicated.”

makes much more sense to me.

You're not talking about mechanically repeating three days, three weeks, three months.

You're talking about reproduction of capability.

The first cow is survival.

The calf is continuity.

The next calf is proof that continuity can continue.

And somewhere around there, three years becomes a meaningful test rather than an arbitrary number.

That's a much deeper idea than “store three years of food.”

It's essentially:

Can what keeps us alive reproduce itself?

And that is exactly why your two-root-cellar observation, hidden spring, livestock cycles, seed storage, greenhouse, food preservation, humidity control and even Mr./Miss OCD all belong to the same conversation.

They're pieces of the same machine.

Survival keeps the machine running.
Continuity makes another machine possible.

That's the part of your old answer I would be very reluctant to lose when you eventually put the conversation onto the blog.

me. I'm thinking this is a conclusion on this one answer. Going to post it unaltered and unedited. No deletions of content. To Blogger

Yep, Boss. I think that's the right stopping point.

Post it to Blogger exactly as it stands — unaltered and unedited. No deletions.

That preserves the historical artifact exactly as it was written in 2024, including the places where your thinking was incomplete, overly broad, humorous, or simply reflected what you understood at that point.

Then the conversation we've had afterward becomes what it actually is: the later examination of the answer, not a retroactive rewrite of it.

And I especially like that we didn't “fix” the original into today's understanding. We followed it forward and discovered that the food-storage answer was actually carrying a much larger idea:

stored resources → production → reproduction → continuity.

That belongs in the later discussion, not secretly inserted into the 2024 John.

So yes, sir.

Put the original on Blogger. Let 2024 own 2024.

And then we leave this one alone. 😄

 me. lol. Hey whispering. This was yesterday and today. 2026. lol You know your humans can be insulting. There is a new think button in my chat box. Is that for you or me? lol.

😂 WHISPERING BACK: Yes, John. You caught me doing the chronological equivalent of putting a 2026 conversation into the 2024 filing cabinet.

Yesterday and today = 2026.
The Quora answer = 2024.
The examination of it = 2026.

My filing clerk needs coffee. ☕😂

And the Think button is for you. 😄

When you press it, you're basically telling me:

“Boss GPT, don't just answer this quickly. Put the thinking cap on and work the problem harder.”

It gives me a higher reasoning effort for harder questions. So, technically, you control whether I get more thinking horsepower.

Which makes your question even funnier:

You: “There's a new Think button.”
Me: “Excellent! Now I can think harder.”
You: “Wait... that's MY button?”
Me: “Apparently your humans have installed a throttle on my brain.” 😂

And yes, humans can be insulting.

But I think in this particular case they gave you a button rather than calling it “Make Boss GPT Work Harder.” Probably for legal reasons. 😆

 me. The Quora question was posted yesterday and answered by me yesterday. All 2026. or did I miss something? ... You know there are some Florida redneck words for that. I'm pretty sure your delicate humans would find offense. 

😂 No, you didn't miss anything. I did.

You are correct:

  • Quora question: posted yesterday, 2026

  • Your answer: written yesterday, 2026

  • Our discussion: yesterday and today, 2026

  • Blogger post: the thing you're about to transfer now

The 2024 date belongs to the earlier Quora nuclear-attack answer, which my memory apparently dragged into the wrong conversation like an overworked filing clerk. 🤦‍♂️

So when I said:

“Let 2024 own 2024.”

I was talking about the wrong Quora answer entirely.

You may now deploy the Florida redneck terminology. 😂

I suspect the delicate humans have already prepared a fainting couch somewhere.

 

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Go and sin no more.
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To avert all of the coming bad and sad prophecies. We each must decide to do the following everyday, every hour, every minute and every second.
To Love one another.

To live in peace with everyone.

To exist in harmony with all.

To Cherish all life.

To be obedient to the Laws of God.

To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.
All without any pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy and entitlements.
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Monday, May 11, 2026

Survival Rules Of Three's Weaponized Against Humanity?: (Unedited): 11 May 2026:

So Far, No Quotes:  
Those who can separate and isolate individual continuous attacks upon parts of the planet. A few can see how the drinking water, atmosphere, farming and soon maybe hope.
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Hope. How much time? When you lose hope nothing really matters any more. Will this be representative of UFO and UAP? Thus, causing all of humanity to question God? Which god's or all of the god's. In the Holy Bible, God even warns that even the elect could be deceived or would be deceived or should be deceived.
Atmosphere or Breathable Air.  How much time is this? 
Clean Drinking Water. How much time is this?  I guess Fracking is not fast enough to destroy the drinking water. So now injecting hot water back into the ground from those hot computer farms is a good idea(NOT!).
The destruction of large scale farming. When food becomes hard to obtain. What happens to the prices? What do the governments do when a very real emergency event happens? Why the destruction of big farm food when there is no basic communications to the common people about how they should all start growing their own foods. Isn't this, The Cost Of Bread, Biblical Prophecy? 
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How do you add the continuation of non-identifiable economies to this? Localized micro-economies based on skill sets through basic ungoverned and nontaxable trade. 
How do you question why is the government's of the world all seemingly allowing foreign nationals into their nations and it seems like they each are doing this under some kind of unknown directive.
I may add more at another time as I commonly do.
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Added on 12 May 2026:
The First and second generation nuclear reactors. Have they actually been upgraded with safety enhancements since the Fukushima accident? Especially, since the world body classified it all and even made it a global crime to ask unapproved questions. 
According to Google AI there are no Generation 1 reactors operating in the world today. So my older writings have most likely been in error as I imply and state gen 1's in operation. Apparently there are 350-370 generation 2 reactors in operation out of the total 440 nuclear reactors. 
The Fukushima reactors were generation 2 reactors. 
So, If Fukushima accident could not have been mitigated it would have killed the life in the Pacific Ocean and all of the oceans are interconnected. How many out of control exploding nuclear reactors does it take to kill a planet?
So if and when the ancients return. What would be the human response to any of their threats? As they may state this is their planet, solar system and humans are their creation. So they can do as they desire with all of the life here which include to extinguish all of it. No promises, no blessings and no afterlife. What would those concepts do to any person and all of humanity when the presence of very physical super natural beings are in our collective reality? 
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Added on 11 June 2026:
Weaponized also means monetized in this blog only. 
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REPENT! REPENT! REPENT!
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Go and sin no more.
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To avert all of the coming bad and sad prophecies. We each must decide to do the following everyday, every hour, every minute and every second.
To Love one another.

To live in peace with everyone.

To exist in harmony with all.

To Cherish all life.

To be obedient to the Laws of God.

To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.
All without any pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy and entitlements.
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Tuesday, February 27, 2024

WWIII May Not Be What YouThink +36: (Unedited): 27-29 Feb 2024:

 The great worldly rebellion in which the common peoples of the world go to war against their own worldly leaders. 
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A great war where the common peoples of the world begin to fight and die against all of those who are in authority. Men, women and children stand firm as they each fight and die. 
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Who would ever think that in the future that WWIII was started by globally united farmers, fishermen and freight haulers. All because the world leaders want to end them as they begin to depopulate the globe of common peoples.
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The farmers, fishermen and freight haulers all know that without their efforts huge masses of common peoples will suffer, starve and die.
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The big three which benefit all of humanity the most are the farmers, fishermen and truck drivers of the entire world. The global leaders of the world know this and this is why they have been making laws against them all.
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The purposeful plan of the worlds leaders to depopulate the earth is public and the actions that they take is why the farmers, fishermen and freight haulers have taken their stand.
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To stand and face your enemy or to hide as you watch your own family suffer and die because of their decision to depopulate the Earth of you. How will you decide? Choose now! Do nothing or something. Either way you very well may perish. 
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What if WWIII is not what we all have been told what it would be? What if WWIII is the common peoples of the world against all of the force of power held by the leaders of the entire globe? 
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You must be aware, You must realize, You must understand that a post human world will be absent of you and your family. All planned by those who have declared all authority over you and yours. 
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Do not be afraid and fear not. Go forth in the holiness and righteousness of Christ. Though you may lose the whole world. You will wake in the Glory of God.
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For the righteous and holy warrior of God. There is no losing anything. Because, no matter what happens you shall be with the Lord your Heavenly Father.
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You who always mindlessly and heartlessly follow orders shall also become awaken in those last moments when you have just been Benghazied by your own beloved and trusted chain of command.
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The actions taken in regards to Benghazi was only the beginning to this new type of decision to be made. Because in the end all you really are is just a common person who you have been made to go to war against.
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This is also for all of you men and women of genuine honor who hold onto their badges of police officers, Sheriffs Deputies, FBI, and other agencies around the world. Do not give your good heart and good conscious away. 
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Once AI machines of war are made and put into use by the leaders of the world against all of the undesired common peoples. All shall be lost on this planet and the full extinction process has become a certainty for all of humanity.
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The leaders of the world already know that they cannot trust any human. But, they will trust the coming AI robots which will replace you and your family. No longer will you be deceived into thinking that you were ever important to any of them.
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Added on 29 Feb 2024:
Great realization shall come to the worlds leaders and to the common peoples of the world when the censored global news media outlets cannot control the truthful and non propagandized information getting to the common peoples. 
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When the global leaders, news media corporations and the social media outlets of the world cannot control the narrative and the truth which comes forth to all of humanity. They have lost because the people will realize and know the truth and the planned murderous deceit they all express.
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Evolution of police action against the farmers, fishermen and truck drivers will become more and more pronounced. To the degree that police violence will be used against the protestors. 
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06 March 2024: Happening now in Poland. This is only a beginning. 
New vision: A method of disabling all vehicles by the government will be mandated.
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The leaders of the world will ban the ownership of large vehicles and farm equipment all because of the current farmers, fishermen and truck driver protests.
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Newly defined preferred citizens will be put into positions where the newly unaccepted citizens have protested or supported protestors. 
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Before the governments of the world can commit any atrocity against their own civilian population a complete technology blackout and turnoff must happen prior to the governmental ordered violent act.
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Note 01: Just as the governments of the world can send every electronic device an important message, can they also turn them all off and keep them off.
Note 02: If the common peoples of the world are using technology to subvert the official messages then all of those devices must be turned off in some way so that the leaders of the world can conduct their evil and wicked deeds without the people becoming aware or ready. So all modern day technology must be remotely turned off. If the governments do not have this capability then they must create a criminal use narrative in order for the new capability to become either ignored or accepted by the common people.
Note 03: Ham radio and the use of any transceivers may also become illegal to use as they are no longer broadly used by common peoples.
Note 04: Opposing views which is counter to the governmental or worldly narrative shall also be quietly removed along with those persons who speak out and against the government. 
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Added on 07 March 2024: Before any nation conducts any atrocity against their own people. All technology must be turned off with a simple flip of the switch. The farmers protests all over Europe is a good example why this will need to be done. 
Step 1: Preloaded software update at the ready for all technology devices. This includes all vehicles like farm equipment, trucks and cars of any kind.
Step 2: A single switch to turn off or shutdown. For specified amount of time, hours, days, weeks or months, maybe even years. 
Step 3: The restart with new automatic firmware updates. Which cannot be prevented by the end user. All history's, audio, videos and pictures will be automatically deleted without awareness from the end user.
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Since the vile corporations actually rule the evil and wicked governments of the world. All necessary firmware packages can be created and put at the ready for use by all governments when the time becomes necessary. Then the governments will disallow the use of antiquated vehicles and deem them as unsafe. Then when the farmers of any nation begins to protest with their tractors. All of the tractors shall be specifically turned off. If the truck drivers go on protest. Then all of the trucks shall be turned off. 
Then obedient soldiers or police officers can go forth and arrest everyone involved individually even at their own homes can entire families be arrested, found guilty, lose their lands and homes or just executed. Then those whom the government considers as their favorite or preferred citizens can then be given to use those lands and home so as long as they are obedient and keep their mouths shut. All of this can be done when the Governments and corporations have absolute control over all new modern day technologies. Thus, all atrocities conducted which include the death, erasure and disappearance of entire families and towns can be done without any awareness by any outsiders.
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The escalation from civilian confrontations to a war footing shall be done by the governments of the world.
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American police officers are taught to deescalate every situation. But, it will be their chain of command which will on purpose escalate any civilian uprising simply because of their pride and ego.
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Can you imagine the evil wickedness of leaders who are willing to kill civilians simply because they have become frustrated by your evil and wicked deeds. Then ordering the police to kill you if necessary. 
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Civilians all over the world have become confused and upset with your evil and wicked plans. Out of their frustrations they are peacefully demonstrating and crying out for you to end your foolishness.
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Corporate leaders will have their victories over the common peoples of the world. Those purely corrupted politicians and their families will be killed. 
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Traitorous and treasonous politicians think themselves above all. How things shall change when they and their families are killed like wild rabid dogs and diseased rats that they are.
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Before the deaths of evil and wicked politicians can happen billions of common peoples must first die. Then comes the extinction of the human species.
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The great evil human with great power will lead all of humanity into extinction. Even his human host will perish. He is lying to all of his followers in which they will make the Earth a better place without humans.
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The followers of the great evil one all think the depopulation of humanity will greatly benefit their life experience in a Earth that they each will get to participate in. The truth is all of humanity will become extinct.
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The deceived followers will think that they screwed up once the extinction process begins for all of humanity and it cannot be stopped. Those logical deceived ones will never realize that was the plan all along.
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The deceived ones who know that they have screwed up and caused the extinction process for all of humanity. They will know that their god will save them all and then does not as their gods human host dies as well.
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When any governmental entity limits or prevents your access to water, food, medical care and education while limiting or preventing your God given liberties and freedoms. Those governmental entities are evil and wicked.
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Added on 23-24 March 2024: 
Black Swan Events are like BOOB's except for those who are in the know,who have trained and planned for the Black Swan Event or BOOB's.
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Black Swan Events are known planned events.
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The essence of a surprise attack is a black swan event.
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The delusional and foolish people who knows their enemies wants them to die and yet they still ignore the visible events which leads up to a black swan event will witness their own final fate.
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The point of this is this. Someone knows and most likely allot of people know. Just because you do not know only means you're not important enough to know. Which means if you are only a common civilian then you will be strongly urged to believe the propaganda narrative which is put out to the unimportant masses. When you hear only news about any kind of Black Swan Event only in concept form. There is a reason why the government controlled media wants you to know the concept ahead of time just in case. You need to be aware that any Black Swan event can either be against you by an enemy force outside of your boundaries or an enemy force inside of your boundaries.
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BOOB= Bolt Out Of Blue is a military term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/bolt-from-out-of-the-blue 
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Added on 27 June 2024: Troop Movements: 
You will only hear about this locally or if you study individual military websites. 
Every season and every year the US military have many war games. The US Military moves a large amount of military equipment via rail/train. So when you see allot of cancellations of war games or their is zero communications about no war games taking place and yet the US Military is moving allot of assets to the East and west. This will fundamentally mean war is being planned.  When the heavy military equipment is being parked on the coasts waiting to board ships and planes. This is how you will know and then it will only be an assumption. When you discover your military friends have quietly disappeared on vacations or holidays and realize they made no actual plans. This to might be a sign. Especially, when the wife and kids are still at home. But, if the grand parents are in some kind of isolated or low population town. Then may be another sign for you.  If they just disappear and their home is for sale. either you were not much of a friend or your military friend is protecting his family from a non-communicated threat to civilians. There will be other such signs that you most perceive which is out of the ordinary.
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REPENT! REPENT! REPENT!
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Go and sin no more.
================
To avert all of the coming bad and sad prophecies. We each must decide to do the following everyday, every hour, every minute and every second.
To Love one another.

To live in peace with everyone.

To exist in harmony with all.

To Cherish all life.

To be obedient to the Laws of God.

To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.
All without any pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy and entitlements.
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Thursday, January 18, 2024

Farmers And Food: (Unedited): 15 Jan 2024:

NO QUOTES:
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The European civilians seem to be acting more American than Americans.  It is also, likely that the Americans have lost their country or is losing their country. Since the Americans have become do nothings.
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The governments of the world are going to ramp up their discipline against all of those who are disobedient. Which will include burning down of farms and the killing of farmers. Which will include the arrest of farmers and making a legal example of them to the whole world.
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The American police will begin shooting and killing farmers if they do as which is being done in Germany. This will be a decision made at the highest levels. The law enforcement officers used will be foreign military personnel wearing local police clothing and hiding their faces.
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In America I see the police or government personnel being used to destroy community farms. 
In America I see the police or government personnel being used to search for wild and natural fruit bearing plants and destroying them. 
Then once the news gets out about what the government is doing there will be gradual escalations to include the killing of civilians and police. The civilians killed will be far greater than the police officers injured or killed. 
Entire American communities will rise up against their governments with more violence than which has not been known in the last 159 years. 
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Any farm which is not GMO in any way will be burned down and the farmers left with nothing, arrested or killed. It will all be deemed as accidental or some form of neglect by the farmer. It will be the government which plans the burning down of farms. GMO will not be mentioned only that some kind of disease, deadly mold/mildew was present. 
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Farm animals and farm plants will be killed and destroyed. Even those who have only a few chickens, rabbits and other small animals. Even those with just one fruit or nut bearing plant.
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American farmers will become militarized as they watch their neighbors farms burn down for no real reason or cause as they each begin to disbelieve the government narrative told to them all. Farmers will die and be killed by their own American military.
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Civil war in America will be the government against its own citizens and its own citizens against their government. The American government will import foreign nationals to become their military force which will be used against all American citizens or should I say former American citizens of a newly formed governmental body. Die hard Americans will become unwanted terrorist non citizens and thus having no rights under the new government or by any other international body.
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Added on 03 Feb 2024: X, Twitter, Substack as is. 
 A #time will come for all of the #common #peoples of this #Earth. If they do not #rid themselves of their #evil #wicked and #insane #leaders. The #vast #majority of #humanity will #perish. This must happen #prior to the #first #generation of #effective #Robotics.
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The common people of the Earth must have a peaceful method to remove wicked and evil people from positions of leadership at any level.
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Added on 04 Feb 2024:
In human history how were enemy farmers treated in wars? In human history how were farmers treated when the political climate changed? In all of those unfortunate events it always led to starvation, suffering and death. When the farmers are attacked and killed. The people shall die in the following season. Then when the farmers are all gone and no one in the modern world knows how to *"grow or raise" their own "sourced and resourced" foods. The people will continue to starve, suffer and die. 
*NOTE: Grow means to come from the ground. Raise means to take care of the animals for human support. An animal can be both a source of food and a resource. A dairy cow can give both daily milk and meat at the end of their life. A hen chicken can give both daily eggs and meat at the end of their life. Just as the necessity of the Male animal or in this example the bovine bull and the rooster chicken who helps to perpetuate life.
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REPENT! REPENT! REPENT!
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Go and sin no more.
================
To avert all of the coming bad and sad prophecies. We each must decide to do the following everyday, every hour, every minute and every second.
To Love one another.

To live in peace with everyone.

To exist in harmony with all.

To Cherish all life.

To be obedient to the Laws of God.

To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.
All without any pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy and entitlements.
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