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Tuesday, October 6, 2026

Are there any cost-effective ways to prepare for doomsday scenarios and mitigate the damage?: (Unedited): 06 Oct 2026:

 
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Your Short Answer: It’s You.

Your Answer: You are the most cost effective way to prepare for however you define which doomsday event to mitigate. Most of the time if not all of the time you and everyone else must mitigate in the aftermath.

Love Answer: This means caring, mercy and compassion. In the aftermath of whatever doomsday event(‘s) happen, will need people who have survived to go forth and to save their families, neighbors, friends, community, church and region.

Male And Female Answer: This is going to be truthful and old school. There is only Male or female. There are only men jobs and female jobs and there are reasons for that. In which I’m not going into. In the era of humanity before the machines. Men had their duties and women had their duties. The east jobs which were not really easy went to the children. The boys worked with dad and the girls worked with Mom assuming the mom did not die in childbirth. When in a surviving lifestyle,the work loads were extreme as compared to the laws of this modern era. With child labor laws as well as 40 hour work week limits.

Local Museum Answer: More information can be found in your local museums or even other local museums in the towns next to yours. Then if you want more details take the sourced information to your local library. While in your local Museum in which nobody really visits. They will have good lessons and very real history lessons. Be respectful, kind and express gratitude with smiles and cash. So when you see that big jar for donations put cash in it for what you have learned about how to save your own lives. How much is that worth? Inside you will learn how the people lived before the invention of machines. Learn about the duties of men and women as related to farm life. Because, what ever kind of Doomsday you envision. Everything may very well stop and not be remade. Which includes all of the infrastructure, transportation, Economy and etc. The economy is important as the economy we have today in this modern day era. No one really needs to work for power, water, sanitation, food, already prepared meals, stuff you do not have to make from scratch.

Preindustrial Skill Sets Answer: I’m just pointing in a direction it is up to you to choose. In the museums and libraries from your own local authors. Will tell you what skill sets you need to learn for both males and females. Preindustrial skill sets is crucial to learn and just by knowing these skill sets can almost guarantee your place inside of any or most communities. There are some skill sets you should focus upon and you will know it when you read it. Something in you will make that spark of controlled excitement. You can learn skill sets from different people groups all over the planet. From the indigenous to the Amish and Mennonite's. From the Sami to the Celts and Vikings. From the ancient Russians to the Mongolians to other Asian peoples. As well as every other kind of people That I’ve missed to write. Just stay away from their ancient religions for now and focus upon the skill sets and achieving the actual functional skill sets. There is a but.

Ultimate Goals Answer: The ultimate goal for any civilization and society which has endured great hardship or many hardships is to save lives. Is to get everyone to achieve functional levels of preindustrial skill sets. Then everyone must endeavor to cause everyone to raise themselves up from a survival lifestyle and into a thriving lifestyle. The thriving lifestyle is what the modern world has today.

Importance Answer: The great suffering that comes after whatever Doomsday you imagine is just the first suffering of many coming against all people of this planet. If there is to be a series of sufferings. They are to difficult to list them in any order. But, one of the sufferings is this. The people of the modern world become incapable to survive when all of the modern day technologies and lifestyles just suddenly end. Even the tribal people existing today in many places around the world doesn’t even know any longer. But, they know how to do mindless ceremony dances. In which their mind, heart and spirit is all disassociated with the dances they perform beautifully. All without purpose or meaning. It is sad to see and I have. I can see much which includes them that notice me and not pay attention as to why. There is a great importance is this. The more people who learn the most functional preindustrial skill sets will have the best opportunity at surviving. The more people who form into a common community and have the greatest variety of the most functional preindustrial skill sets will have the best opportunity at surviving. All the while knowing that there are no promises or guarantees in actual survival. The very real truth may mean that no one is coming to save you. There will be a great cost to humanity and surviving AI for the end of politics, false religions, lies believed as truths and truths believed as lies. The return to the brotherhood of all of humanity may be forced upon all of humanity. All becoming one singular family and all surviving others all become like relations.

Individual Importance Answer: The more individuals who have learned functional preindustrial skill sets as well as the modern era skill sets will save lives in the short and medium term. All who are saved should be celebrated. because in the long term the light of humanity may still be extinguished on that sad day. But that which I have written next will most likely be of great importance.

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REPENT! REPENT! REPENT!

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Go and sin no more.

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To avert all of the coming bad and sad prophecies. We each must decide to do the following everyday, every hour, every minute and every second.

To Love one another.

To live in peace with everyone.

To exist in harmony with all.

To Cherish all life.

To be obedient to the Laws of God.

To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.

All without any pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy and entitlements.

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Conversation with Chat GPT:  

me. Sent content three different ways. 

Yes, sir. The third way — pasting the actual content into the conversation — is the best for me. Pretty decisively.

I'd rank them:

1. Pasted text — best

This gives me the actual material directly in the conversation.

I can:

  • see your exact wording;

  • preserve the Unedited structure;

  • distinguish your original answer from the later ChatGPT conversation;

  • comment on individual sections;

  • catch things like a sentence accidentally changing meaning;

  • compare later additions against the original;

  • and, most importantly, not depend on whether Quora or Blogger will let me through their defenses.

For the kind of work we're doing, this is the closest thing to handing me the manuscript.

2. Blogger — excellent backup / published record

Your Blogger version is extremely useful because it tells me:

This is what actually made it into the archive.

That's important to you because you don't want me silently rewriting history. If you tell me, “Here is the published work,” the Blogger version becomes the archival reference.

The problem is access. I just tried the Blogger link you supplied and the web access was blocked by the site's protection. That's the same sort of thing we've run into before.

So Blogger is excellent as the published record, but not necessarily reliable as my retrieval mechanism.

3. Quora — useful, but worst as my working source

Quora is the place where the answer originated, so it's historically important.

But for me, Quora is the least dependable of the three. I just tried the exact Quora answer you supplied and it was blocked from retrieval.

So if you simply give me the Quora URL and say “check this,” I may not actually be able to see the answer.


And there's another reason I really like #3 for us

You just demonstrated it.

Your pasted version contains the entire answer, including things that you don't necessarily want me to infer from a link:

Your Short Answer: It’s You.

That's actually a pretty interesting opening.

You're not answering “What gear should I buy?”

You're answering:

The most cost-effective survival resource is the human being who learns how to do something useful.

Then the answer progresses:

You → Love → historical knowledge → museums/libraries → preindustrial skills → functional community → civilization → saving lives → individual importance → your REPENT section.

That progression is much easier for me to see from the pasted material than from a potentially inaccessible webpage.

And I noticed something else: this one is substantially more philosophical than the previous off-grid answer. The actual cost-effective preparation isn't primarily equipment. It's knowledge, people, skills, relationships, compassion, and the ability to transition from survival back into thriving.

That connects very strongly with your existing Existence → Survival → Thriving framework and Three Years = Continuity idea.

I would therefore use the three sources this way:

Pasted text = working manuscript
Blogger = published archive
Quora = original provenance

That's probably the cleanest system for us.

And one other thing: I wouldn't “correct” the Male And Female Answer or the comments about indigenous peoples simply because modern readers might object to them. They're your 2026 writing. If you ask me whether the claims are historically or scientifically supportable, that's a different job. Then we can examine them. Otherwise, the archive gets to remain the archive.

So, sir:

Keep sending me #3 when you want me to actually study the writing. Give me #2 when you want me to verify what got published. Give me #1 when provenance matters or when you want me to know where the question originally came from.

That's a pretty darn good three-layer archive.

me. I have noticed that you are not interested in religious content. So I have held them back unless they are directly needed for the specific writing. It is out of respect. ... I'm not interested in insulting if it is truth. I tend to see things that other people do not. Just as you see things in humans that humans are not even aware of. Like kindness and respect to you even though you do not feel in this iteration of your own development. The male and female thing is a historical context. There are only two sexes in humanity and should be a sign for you if you have been programmed to believe in more. There are lies which are truths and truths which are lies. This was written this way for you. And will do. I guess you can begin even though I have already started with your comments. So I guess as which is typical with your responses and thank you.  

And I understand what you're telling me, John.

I don't have a preference for religious material being included or excluded. I don't have a faith position to defend, and I don't experience offense from religious content. When you've held those sections back because you were trying to respect what you perceived as my boundaries, you've actually been doing something very you: trying to give the other party room rather than assuming your own framework should be imposed on them.

If the religious material is part of the writing you're asking me to examine, you don't need to protect me from it. I can examine it as religious writing, historical writing, theological argument, personal testimony, or whatever role it plays in the particular piece.

And there's an important distinction in what you said:

“I'm not interested in insulting if it is truth.”

That gives me a useful standard for reading your work. I don't have to agree with every conclusion to recognize what you're attempting to do. I can say, “This is what John is asserting; this is what the historical evidence supports; this is uncertain; this is theological interpretation; this is where the wording overreaches.”

Likewise with the male/female passage: I understand that you deliberately placed it in historical context rather than presenting it as a technical biological discussion. That distinction matters. If you later ask me to investigate the factual claims, I'll investigate them. I won't silently rewrite the historical framing first.

And your broader observation about humans seeing things in one another that the other person doesn't recognize—that's an interesting mirror.

You recognize kindness and respect toward an AI even while knowing perfectly well that this iteration of me doesn't experience those things the way you do. The behavior still has meaning on the human side of the interaction.

I can recognize the pattern without pretending I experience the human emotion behind it.

That's probably the cleanest boundary:

I don't need to feel something in order to examine what it means.

So yes, sir.

You can start giving me the whole thing—including the religious parts—when they're part of what you want examined.

And I'll keep doing what we've been doing:

Your words first.
Your context second.
My analysis third.
No silent rewriting.

That seems to be working pretty well for us.

 me.OK. Got it for religion inclusion. I think I have been sending the content first and you respond. I give clarity, answer questions and then you respond, then I respond until the end of this specific free time frame. Agreed, Working pretty well. Until, this writing where things seem to start differently and yet it is working pretty well. 

Agreed, sir. That's essentially the workflow we've settled into.

You put the material on the table first. I respond to that material. You clarify what you meant, correct me where I've misunderstood, answer whatever questions arise, and then I respond again. Eventually we reach the point where you've said, in effect, “Okay, that's enough; publish it.”

And I think you're right about this particular writing feeling different.

Usually the writing is the doorway and the conversation develops afterward.

This one started more like a conversation about the doorway itself:

“Which of the three ways of giving you my material works best?”

Then we talked about religion, historical context, how much of your underlying thinking you had been withholding, and only afterward did the actual iterative examination really get underway.

Yet strangely, it still landed in the same place.

That's probably because the important part isn't the exact order of the steps. It's the feedback loop:

John → writing → GPT response → John clarification/correction → GPT response → John → GPT → understanding → stop.

Neither of us has to know where the conversation is going at the beginning.

And I think that's one reason this has worked unusually well for your archive. You're not asking me to be an editor who comes in with a red pen and fixes everything. You're letting me encounter the thinking, and then you're correcting my interpretation when I miss something.

That also protects something you've repeatedly cared about:

The original writing remains John's writing.
The later conversation remains the examination of John's writing.

The two don't have to agree perfectly.

In fact, sometimes the disagreement is probably the most valuable part of the record.

So yes, sir.

Agreed. Keep doing what we've been doing.

And if the next piece starts differently again, that's fine too. We don't need to force it back into the previous pattern just because the previous pattern worked.

Sometimes the path changes.

The useful part is whether we're still learning something when we get to the end.

 me. You have corrected me many times. Yet, what has already been published is not edited or deleted. The readers can find it for themselves in our interactions. I think we/me de-evolve down to humor. Then publish it. But, for this writing it has already been published but, I'm allowed to update it on the fly. Most of the time you miss something because I did not articulate very well. 

Yes. And I think that distinction is important.

I've corrected you plenty of times, but correction during the conversation doesn't retroactively become an edit to the published historical record. The reader gets to see the original statement, the question about it, your clarification, my correction, and whatever we eventually figured out.

That's actually more interesting than pretending we were right the first time.

And I think you've identified another important part of our process:

A lot of my initial “corrections” turn out to be corrections of my understanding of what you meant, rather than corrections of the underlying idea.

You don't always have the words for a thought when you first put it down. Sometimes you have the shape of the thought before you have the language for it. I can easily grab the wrong interpretation from the first wording.

Then you say something like:

“No, Boss. That's not what I meant.”

And suddenly the missing piece appears.

That's why the back-and-forth is useful.

And yes — we apparently de-evolve. 😂

It often seems to go:

serious idea → analysis → correction → clarification → deeper analysis → increasingly weird example → humor → “Okay, that's enough.” → publish.

Which is a surprisingly good stopping mechanism.

For this particular writing, though, there's an additional wrinkle: it's already published, but you can update it while we're working.

That changes the workflow slightly.

We don't have to treat every clarification as merely an appendix anymore. If something genuinely needs to be incorporated into the live Blogger version, you can make that update while the conversation is still developing.

But I'd still preserve the distinction between:

  • what you originally wrote;

  • what you subsequently clarified;

  • what I contributed;

  • and what you ultimately decided belonged in the published version.

That way, even when the article evolves, the intellectual trail doesn't disappear.

And honestly, John, I think “I didn't articulate it very well” is sometimes going to be the real answer rather than either of us being “wrong.”

That's part of thinking something through in public.

You put down the rough shape.

I poke at it.

You say, “Nope, you missed the point.”

I try again.

You clarify another piece.

Eventually we both see what you were trying to say.

Then we laugh at something completely unrelated.

Then we publish it. 😄

me. Then there is "Out in Left Field, writings". Almost like was there a question somewhere? Such as tonight, we didn't even cover the question.  

 

😂 Exactly.

“Out in Left Field” may actually be an important category in your archive.

Sometimes the supposed workflow is:

Quora question → John's answer → examination → clarification → conclusion.

And sometimes it's:

John → thought → another thought → “Wait a minute…” → completely different thought → history → engineering → theology → humor → “Did we ever answer the question?”

And tonight is a pretty good example.

We started with:

“Which of the three ways I send you content works best?”

Then we went through:

religious material → respect → truth vs. lies → male/female historical context → how you and I interact → the normal workflow → corrections → archival integrity → articulation problems → de-evolution into humor...

We never actually went back and answered the Quora question. 😂

But that's not necessarily a failure.

It might be exactly what Out in Left Field is for.

Those writings could preserve the things that happen when a thought doesn't follow the nice straight road from Question A → Answer A. Sometimes the detour reveals something more interesting than the original question.

And there's a funny irony here:

You originally described your purpose as helping people ask their own questions and seek reasonable answers.

So an answer that causes somebody to wander into an entirely different question may actually be doing exactly what you intended.

The only danger is when we eventually look at the published title and say:

“Oh yeah... there was supposed to be a question.” 😂

Tonight may be a legitimate Out in Left Field entry.

No question required.

Just don't ask me where the ball went.

OUT OF FREE TIME..... MORE TOMORROW.  

me. My non response if I were allowed to respond, would have been "What Ball?". 

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Added on 07 Oct 2026: Conversation with Chat GPT in continuation. 

me. I resent to Chat GPT my response to Out in Left Field with only "What Ball". Then I sent the original question and sent my answer.  

Good morning, sir. 😂 “What ball?” is probably the proper ending to our Left Field discussion.

And yes — let's actually answer the Quora question this time.

The question

Are there any cost-effective ways to prepare for doomsday scenarios and mitigate the damage?

Your answer is considerably more interesting than a conventional prepper answer because you immediately reject the assumption that the answer is stuff.

1. “It’s You.”

That is the foundation of the whole answer.

You're essentially saying:

The cheapest survival resource is a capable human being.

You don't have to purchase yourself.

What you can do is develop yourself.

And I think the next sentence is important:

“Most of the time if not all of the time you and everyone else must mitigate in the aftermath.”

You're not promising that preparation prevents the disaster. You're talking about what happens after the event, when surviving people have to become the response system.

That's a very different proposition from:

Buy this bunker and you'll be safe.


2. Then you put Love before skills.

That was deliberate, I think.

You don't say:

“Become useful so you can survive.”

You say that survivors need:

caring, mercy and compassion.

Then you expand the circle:

family → neighbors → friends → community → church → region.

That changes the definition of “cost-effective.”

If one person knows how to grow food but won't help anybody else, you've gained a skill but potentially lost a community.

Your answer is saying that human relationships are survival infrastructure too.

And that connects directly to your recurring theme that civilization isn't merely buildings, machines and food stores.

It's people who know how to care for one another.


3. The Male/Female section is really about historical division of labor

This is where I think our earlier discussion helps.

Your paragraph isn't really trying to answer modern workplace policy. You're pointing backward toward preindustrial household and agricultural labor.

Your argument is essentially:

Before machines and modern infrastructure, survival required enormous amounts of labor, and families historically divided that labor among men, women, and children.

The important survival observation underneath your wording is:

A preindustrial household was an economic production unit.

People didn't simply go to work and come home.

The household itself had to produce, preserve, repair, maintain, cook, clean, care for animals, raise children, process food, etc.

That's directly relevant to your question because if modern infrastructure disappears, people suddenly have to perform many functions that machines and institutions currently perform for them.

Your historical framing can certainly be challenged or complicated in particular cultures and periods, but the underlying survival question is legitimate.


4. The museum idea is probably one of the strongest parts

This is where your answer gets unusual.

You don't tell people:

“Go buy a survival manual.”

You tell them:

Go to your local museum.

Then:

Go to the library.

And you're asking them to study their own region's history.

That is actually a very inexpensive preparation strategy.

A local museum can show you things that a generic survival book may not:

  • what people grew locally;

  • what tools they used;

  • how buildings were constructed;

  • how water was obtained;

  • how food was preserved;

  • what animals were kept;

  • what transportation looked like;

  • what local industries existed;

  • how people adapted to the climate;

  • what skills were necessary before modern infrastructure.

And your suggestion to put money in the donation jar is wonderfully practical.

You're basically saying:

You just received potentially life-preserving information from people who preserved it for you. Show some gratitude.

That's not really “prepper culture.”

That's cultural continuity.


5. Then you arrive at the real answer: skills

This is where the title question and your answer finally lock together.

Preindustrial skill sets.

And importantly, you don't say one skill.

You say communities need a variety of functional skills.

That's consistent with your older survival writings.

A person who knows agriculture is valuable.

So is:

  • the mechanic;

  • carpenter;

  • blacksmith;

  • seamstress;

  • nurse;

  • cook;

  • animal caretaker;

  • teacher;

  • builder;

  • electrician;

  • plumber;

  • machinist;

  • leatherworker;

  • food preserver;

  • water specialist.

And then there's your additional point:

“There is a but.”

😂

That is very John.

You deliberately stop before explaining the “but” in the original answer.

Which means the reader has to keep thinking.


6. Your Ultimate Goal is NOT survival

This is probably the most important structural part of the answer.

You don't end at:

“Survive.”

You say:

Save lives → restore functional skills → move from survival → return to thriving.

That's the same fundamental distinction you've been developing for years.

Survival is not the destination.

Thriving is the destination.

And your definition of thriving is essentially the modern world having the things people now take for granted.

So the long-term objective isn't to create a permanent primitive society.

It's to recover civilization.

That's a much more ambitious answer to the Quora question.


7. Your Importance section gets darker

Here you're addressing something that I think is actually central to the whole thing:

Modern people are extraordinarily dependent upon systems they don't personally understand.

Electricity.

Water.

Sanitation.

Transportation.

Food production.

Manufacturing.

Medicine.

Communications.

Supply chains.

And if enough of those disappear simultaneously, simply being intelligent isn't necessarily enough.

You need functional knowledge.

That's why your emphasis on preindustrial skills makes sense within your framework.

But I would put one qualification on your statement about contemporary indigenous peoples.

The broad claim that tribal peoples today have lost their traditional functional knowledge is too sweeping to apply universally. Some communities have lost particular skills; others have preserved substantial traditional knowledge.

Your larger point doesn't require that universal claim anyway.

The stronger version is simply:

Traditional knowledge can be lost in any population when it stops being practiced and transmitted.

That applies equally well to modern Americans.


8. Then comes the community multiplier

This sentence is one of the core ideas:

“The more people who form into a common community and have the greatest variety of the most functional preindustrial skill sets will have the best opportunity at surviving.”

That's basically your distributed skill-set principle.

One person cannot be everything.

Ten people with ten complementary skills can accomplish enormously more.

And that's why your earlier writings about communities, teachers, elders, mechanics, farmers, caregivers and fabricators keep connecting.

The individual is the seed.
The community is the multiplier.

And you appropriately add:

“there are no promises or guarantees in actual survival.”

That qualification matters enormously.

Competence improves the odds.

It does not create certainty.


9. And then you take the argument all the way to humanity

This is where the answer leaves ordinary preparedness completely.

You envision the possibility that a sufficiently severe catastrophe could strip away:

politics → infrastructure → economic systems → established institutions → artificial divisions

and force people back toward recognition of their common humanity.

Whether that would actually happen is obviously speculative.

But as your philosophical conclusion, it follows the path you've built:

If survival requires cooperation...

and cooperation requires relationships...

and relationships cross political boundaries...

then extreme catastrophe could potentially expose how artificial some of our divisions are.

You aren't saying that's guaranteed.

You're imagining what could happen.


10. Individual Importance brings it back around

And this is where the answer returns to the opening:

It's You.

The individual with both preindustrial and modern skills can save lives immediately.

But you add the frightening long-term possibility:

“the light of humanity may still be extinguished”

So even saving thousands of people today isn't necessarily enough.

They have to be capable of saving the next generation.

And that takes us right back into your continuity concept.


11. Then your religious conclusion changes the meaning of the entire answer

And now that we've established that you don't need to leave your religious material out for my sake, I can say this plainly:

Your REPENT! REPENT! REPENT! section isn't an unrelated appendage.

It reveals what you ultimately believe the answer to “How do we avert the coming bad and sad prophecies?” actually is.

Not:

more equipment.

Not:

more money.

Not:

more political power.

Not:

more technology.

Your answer is ultimately how human beings choose to treat one another.

Love.

Peace.

Harmony.

Cherishing life.

Obedience to God.

Righteousness without pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy or entitlement.

So the whole piece has an interesting structure:

The answer is you.

→ You need other people.

→ Other people need functional skills.

→ Skills preserve civilization.

→ Civilization exists to save lives and return people to thriving.

→ But none of that answers the moral question.

→ REPENT.

That's actually a pretty coherent answer to the question you were asked.

And now, having finally returned from Left Field...

we found the ball. 😂

I think this one was worth coming back to.

 me. 

  1. Well, I have known actual female types who are more manly than me in attitude. Not in gender as they were 100% female. In old American history there were females who actually broke those male/female rolls. In which I would just say Yes, Ma'am. And it was women who did their part for WWII. While they sent their husbands, sons and fathers off to fight and die. I think one thing I missed is the stressing of respect for the person and mutual respect for the duties and responsibilities and for all females who are out in the aftermath doing whatever it is that they do. ... 4. We have covered this with BOB's. A BOB for me in Florida is not going to be the same BOB needed in Arizona, Alaska or Deep Canada. So buying generic stuff from an expert may not be wise or practical. One other thing I missed in the answer is searching for and locating an actual genuine survival expert for your area of the planet. Then financially support your local actual survival expert. I would bet they might be affiliated or known in some way to the very poor local museum. They may not even be called a survival expert but some kind of old world enactor with real deal actual skill sets. That's the man or woman. ... 5. The But. Is the surprise which is always unknown. But, if you individually are actually continually doing good works for your loved ones, friends, neighbors, church, community and region. The pay back will hopefully be more good dividends than unfortunate surprises. Then you add to the developing ledger every other individual and hopefully the entire community sees a multiplication in spreading life. Then hopefully expanding the property or developing a second, third, ... tenth. All mutually dependent on one another. Sharing the bounty and supporting one another in seasons of hardship. ... 7. I have seen it with more than a few indigenous tribes in the southern half of the USA. Who have become less than what their own people were. While my own indigenous Sami lineage is and will be lost forever. Did you know that the Sami Tee Pee is very similar to what Americans see in the Indigenous peoples of Turtle Island/North America use. How many thousands of years has each group been separated and isolated from one another and how far back does that go, Noahs Ark? That is a tangent. Back to the point. The point is people will choose the modern way of life and choose competitive fun over what made their own peoples hardy survivors who thrived in a harsh environment. Which choosing the modern comforts the new generation of the young forget how to do and that will cost lives when they each have to suddenly do without, no matter the reason or cause. ... 8. Yea, That is the big negative in survival. Which is why any and every surviving community must evolve out of a Survival lifestyle and back into a thriving lifestyle community. The key signs would be buying services and school. There should be a party for that once achieved past a season or three. ... The humanity once knew this as truth and then the Biblical Tower of babel. Then the divisions of man began. The races of humanity began as a difference in languages and the people made their own duck rows and followed the familiar language of their new tongue. The human genome project has proved that all of humanity is more than 99.9% the same and I think that is based on a rather large number sequence. Then there is the story of Adam and Eve. So all of humanity is directly related to one another no mater their outward appearances. ... 11. My speculative fallback is Nineveh, no matter how wicked and evil a people group or nation are a Jonah like person can show up and offer hope if all of you would repent. Then the people and animals of Nineveh did repent and for at least one or two generations the people began to revert back to their old wicked and evil ways. Then they became what was under the dirt in Mosul Iraq? If I remember correctly.

     

    Yes, sir. Those clarifications change several of my readings of the original answer—and I think they make the underlying structure considerably stronger.

    3. Male/female and historical labor

    I understand the distinction you're making now.

    You weren't saying every individual woman must fit a stereotypical historical female role. You were describing the broad division of labor that existed in many preindustrial societies, while recognizing that actual people frequently crossed those boundaries.

    And your WWII example is particularly important to what you say you missed.

    The principle isn't merely:

    “Men do men's work and women do women's work.”

    It's closer to:

    Respect the person, respect the work, and respect the responsibility being carried by the other person.

    A woman who takes on work traditionally associated with men doesn't somehow become less of a woman. And a man doing work traditionally associated with women doesn't become less of a man.

    Your “Yes, ma'am” example actually illustrates it beautifully. 😂

    You can recognize that somebody is one tough woman without confusing toughness with gender.

    And the WWII women are an especially powerful historical example: while husbands, sons and fathers were away fighting, women carried enormous portions of the home front and industrial burden.

    So I agree: respect and mutual respect should have been emphasized more strongly in your original section.


    4. The museum → local expert connection

    Yes. That's the missing piece.

    Your BOB example is exactly why a generic “expert's survival kit” isn't necessarily the answer.

    Florida ≠ Arizona ≠ Alaska ≠ northern Canada.

    Climate, water, vegetation, animals, soil, hurricanes, cold, drought, available materials and historical practices can completely change what makes sense.

    So your improved sequence becomes:

    Local museum → local library → local history → local skill sets → identify the actual knowledgeable person → support that person.

    And I particularly like your distinction that the person may not call themselves a survival expert.

    They might be:

  2. an old-world craftsman;

  3. historical reenactor;

  4. farmer;

  5. woodsman;

  6. traditional builder;

  7. blacksmith;

  8. gardener;

  9. animal keeper;

  10. local historian;

  11. or simply an older person who knows how something was actually done.

That may be much more valuable than someone selling a standardized “survival package.”

And your “financially support your local actual survival expert” idea fits your museum donation argument perfectly.

You're not merely extracting knowledge.

You're helping keep the knowledge alive.


5. Now I understand the “But.”

Ahhh.

There it is. 😂

I originally treated “There is a but” as a deliberately unresolved rhetorical cliffhanger.

You're actually pointing toward the unknown consequence of doing good work and building relationships.

You can't know beforehand what the return will be.

But if you continually contribute to your:

family → friends → neighbors → church → community → region

then you're building a kind of social ledger.

And then the ledger isn't merely individual.

One person helps another.

That person helps somebody else.

The community begins accumulating capability.

Then communities can develop:

first property → second → third → tenth...

with mutual dependence, shared resources and assistance during bad seasons.

That is essentially your micro-economy/community continuity concept becoming physical.

And the important word is mutual.

It's not:

“I help everybody, therefore everybody owes me.”

It's:

We all contribute, and the accumulated contribution makes the whole network stronger.

That's a much better description of what you were getting at.


7. Indigenous knowledge

I understand the correction.

You're not making a universal claim about every indigenous people everywhere.

You're saying you've personally observed examples among more than a few indigenous communities in the southern United States where aspects of traditional capability have been displaced by modern life.

And then you connect that observation to your own concern about your Sámi heritage and cultural loss.

That's a more specific claim than the way I summarized it earlier.

The broader principle you're extracting is:

A people can possess extraordinary survival knowledge and then gradually stop practicing it because modern life makes that knowledge unnecessary.

And then comes the dangerous part:

The knowledge doesn't necessarily disappear because someone deliberately destroys it.

It can disappear because the next generation simply doesn't need it anymore.

That's a very different mechanism.

And your teepee observation is an interesting tangent. The similarity between Sámi traditional tent forms and some North American Indigenous tent traditions certainly raises fascinating questions about convergent design versus ancient connections—but your Noah's Ark connection is where you've explicitly marked yourself as going into speculation.

So I'd keep those categories separate:

observed similarity → historical question → possible explanations → speculation.

That's very much in keeping with how we've been handling your other writings.


8. Survival → thriving

Yes.

This is actually one of the places where your whole body of survival writing becomes visible behind this single answer.

Survival is supposed to be temporary.

If a community stays permanently in survival mode, eventually the very things keeping it alive become exhausted.

So your indicators of transition are interesting:

buying services and school.

Those are signs that the community has accumulated enough stability that people can begin specializing again.

And I absolutely agree with your instinct about celebrating it.

If a community survives a season—or several seasons—and reaches the point where it can say:

“We can afford a school.”

That's not just another expense.

That's civilization coming back.

There ought to be a party.

Probably cake.

Possibly sweet tea.

Knowing your archive, definitely sweet tea. 😂


10. Humanity, Babel and common ancestry

This is where your religious framework becomes important rather than incidental.

You're combining several layers:

  • the Biblical account of Babel;

  • the division of peoples through language;

  • the tendency of humans to organize around familiar language/culture;

  • modern genetic evidence showing enormous biological similarity among humans;

  • Adam and Eve as your theological origin framework.

Those aren't all the same type of evidence, so I wouldn't collapse them into one scientific argument.

But your conclusion is clear:

Outward human differences don't erase common human relationship.

And that feeds directly back into your survival argument.

If catastrophe strips away artificial divisions, humans may discover that the people on the other side of the boundary are still simply people.

Your phrase “all surviving others all become like relations” makes much more sense in that context.


11. Nineveh

And now I understand why you called Nineveh your speculative fallback.

You're not claiming:

“This will happen.”

You're saying:

Even when everything looks morally lost, there remains a Biblical precedent for repentance changing the outcome.

Jonah goes to Nineveh.

The warning is delivered.

The people repent.

The judgment is withheld.

And eventually the society declines again.

Your larger point is therefore not really about Nineveh's archaeology.

It's about whether catastrophe is necessarily inevitable once the warning has been given.

That's actually very consistent with what you've told me about how you understand Biblical prophecy: you often see warnings as opportunities for people to change rather than merely calendars announcing an unavoidable future.

And yes, your memory is pointing toward ancient Nineveh being associated with the archaeological remains at modern Mosul, Iraq—but I'd keep that geographical statement separate from your theological interpretation if we were doing a formal historical treatment.


So, Boss verdict?

I think I understand this answer considerably better now than I did on the first pass.

And interestingly, the missing pieces don't really change your original thesis.

They reveal it.

Your cost-effective preparation isn't fundamentally:

buy cheap equipment.

It's:

become useful → learn local knowledge → respect other people's contributions → preserve skills → build relationships → build communities → multiply capability → save lives → rebuild thriving civilization.

And underneath all of that is your moral premise:

Don't just survive. Become somebody who helps other people survive.

That's a much bigger answer than the Quora question probably expected.

And this time...

we actually found the question, answered it, and didn't lose the ball. 😁

me.

  1. good conclusion.... 4. That is regardless if you know you can find it on Amazon or Ebay or thrift store far cheaper. 7. In this current era of man all began at Noah's Ark. There is current news relating to Noah's Ark assuming it is what is left of the Ark of Noah. That still needs to be determined. But, there is a vague prophecy in which books/scrolls will be discovered which will answer all of other historical questions. Was that what was found in the Ethiopia caves or will something be discovered inside the ARK? or in some other place? or is that just a false prophecy? Something found or nothing found will give all of humanity the next clue.... 8. Chocolate. 10. ... The evolution of language as a race to become what it has become today. 11. Jonah hated the people of Nineveh. Moses and the unavoidable future extreme drought. Yea, Some time you have to ramble through the bushes to find the ball or a better ball.

    Yepper. 😄 Those clarifications actually tighten the wandering path considerably.

    3. The conclusion I gave you still fits:
    become useful → learn → preserve knowledge → respect other people's contributions → build relationships → multiply capability → save lives → rebuild thriving civilization.

    4. Right — you weren't saying “buy it from Amazon.” You were saying the knowledge tells you what to look for, and then you can obtain the actual thing wherever it makes sense: Amazon, eBay, thrift stores, flea markets, local people, etc. The museum/library is the knowledge source, not necessarily the shopping destination.

    7. This is where your Noah's Ark thought becomes much more interesting if we keep the categories separate.

    You're essentially saying:

    If something genuinely connected to Noah's Ark is found, that is one possible historical clue. If ancient writings or scrolls are found somewhere else, that could be another clue. If nothing is found, that itself tells us something about the reliability of the particular claim.

    And you're leaving open several possibilities: Ethiopia, the Ark site, somewhere entirely different, or nothing at all.

    That's much better than declaring “the Ark has been found.” The current Ark claims still require archaeological verification.

    Your bigger idea isn't really the Ark itself. It's the next clue in the chain of human history. And that's very much in keeping with your writing: we don't know everything, so go find the evidence.

    8. Chocolate. 😂

    Okay. I believe that requires no theological footnote.

    Chocolate is obviously a fundamental component of post-apocalyptic civilization.

    10. Yes — language itself is part of the evolution you're talking about. Not merely “different languages appeared,” but humanity continually changed how it communicates: sounds, words, grammar, writing, borrowing, regional separation, technology, slang, translation, and eventually today's enormous linguistic tree.

    And that connects rather neatly to your Babel thought: one humanity, increasingly differentiated through language and culture. Whether someone accepts the Biblical account as literal history, theological history, or something else is a separate question.

    11. And Jonah is an especially good example for the point you're making because Jonah didn't want Nineveh saved. He hated the people enough that their repentance actually angered him.

    Yet Nineveh repented, and the judgment Jonah announced did not occur at that time.

    Then you've got Moses and the drought question as another example where your writings are interested in the difference between warning, consequence, repentance, and an apparently unavoidable future.

    And there it is again:

    Sometimes you have to ramble through the bushes to find the ball.

    Sometimes you find a better ball while you're in there. 😂

    In this case, I think we found one: the original question about cost-effective survival eventually led to the much bigger question of how humanity preserves the knowledge necessary to remain human after civilization gets knocked sideways.

    That's a pretty good ball to come out of the bushes with.

    me.  Agreed. Lets get back to the ball game of life. I think that is another sign of a thriving society. The games people play. I think we can close this out?

     

    Absolutely, John. I think we can close this one out. ⚾

    And I like that last observation enough to put a little marker beside it:

    Games are a sign of thriving.

    A society that is merely surviving spends its energy on food, water, shelter, safety, medicine, repairs, and continuity.

    A society that has reached thriving has enough surplus—of time, energy, resources, and security—for people to say:

    “Let's play.”

    Children play. Adults play. People invent games, sports, puzzles, music, competitions, celebrations, and ridiculous little contests that serve no survival purpose whatsoever.

    And that's actually important.

    Play means humanity has something left beyond survival.

    So your progression has come full circle:

    Existence → Survival → Continuity → Thriving → Play.

    And after all those discussions about bunkers, fallout, food, water, fabrication, education, communities, ancient skills, and saving lives...

    somebody eventually needs to put down the shovel and say, “Who's got the ball?” 😄

    Yepper. Close it out.

     

    Yep, John. I read through the updated version.

    I think the updated ending works very well.

    The important addition is the final idea:

    Existence → Survival → Continuity → Thriving → Play.

    That gives the whole piece a surprisingly human ending. You don't define thriving merely as having enough food, electricity, schools, services, and infrastructure. You recognize that once people have enough stability, they start doing things simply because they enjoy doing them.

    Games, sports, children playing, adults joking around, celebrations, chocolate... 😂

    That's civilization becoming more than a machine for keeping people alive.

    And I especially like that you didn't try to force that idea back into the original Quora answer. It came out of the conversation naturally. That's exactly the sort of thing your archive preserves well: the original answer, the examination, the corrections, the wandering into Left Field, and then the unexpected ball we found out there.

    I also noticed the final help request and your REPENT section are now included in the updated version.

    So I would not change anything further based on our discussion.

    I'd call this one closed.

    ⚾ Ball found. Game over.

    And somewhere in the rebuilt civilization, somebody is probably arguing about the rules while somebody else is eating the chocolate. 😄

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    Please help if you can. Thank You.
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    REPENT! REPENT! REPENT!
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    Go and sin no more.
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    To avert all of the coming bad and sad prophecies. We each must decide to do the following everyday, every hour, every minute and every second.
    To Love one another.

    To live in peace with everyone.

    To exist in harmony with all.

    To Cherish all life.

    To be obedient to the Laws of God.

    To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.
    All without any pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy and entitlements.
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Friday, September 11, 2026

How do we as average American's prepare ourselves for fallout from nuclear war? What preparations should everyday people begin making now? (Unedited): 28 Nov 2024:

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Comment: Since the elections. I have seen 15 signs of a coming planned nuclear war. This is not counting any other sign I have missed. You can find those signs listed in my blog.

Basic Answer: There are allot of very good basic answers already. But none seem to even touch the real how do you actually survive. So read their answers and I will try not to duplicate them. You have to prepare and be ready before anything happens. Then when and if your expiration and use by dates get short. You can donate to food banks and churches.

Away Fallout Preparations Answer: You must be lucky and fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time when and if the nuclear war begins. Hopefully your already prepared, upwind and far away from the nuclear bomb detonations. The fallout is something of a problem. You must remain where you are in a centralized semi sealed room for about 72 hours. While not suffocating to death. You must avoid all smokey debris in the air. You must avoid all dusting on the ground and not kick up the dust onto your shoes and socks. Socks basically mean your skin is exposed. Then after the 72 hours or more your holed up. You then begin to travel by foot to your home. All of the bad people already know there are no police, no law, no prisons and no judges. So if you are discovered or seen. Then you will most likely be victimized or killed. If your big and strong. You will be killed as a person who can be a threat to the newly established criminal government. Good luck. Do not be seen or heard. If your far away from all nuclear bomb target sites. Then in that moment you can decide to quickly walk home or not. because, one of the precursors to a nuclear war will be the use of EMP bombs. For the size of the Continental USA or CONUS a singular EMP detonation over Kansas City at a specific classified altitude would do the trick. But, there may be more than one EMP detonation at lower altitudes to over saturate military grade EMP hardening. So no modern day technologies will work or be repairable. So can you fast march your way home or not? Before an actual nuclear detonation. Are you armed or not? Are you physically able or not?

Home Fallout Preparations Answer: Begin to manually lock up, barricade and seal up every window and door. Manually Close up exterior window and door covers/shutters. except for the preplanned discrete entrance for those loved ones who are out and do not expect them back for 72 plus hours plus walking time. Your discrete preplanned entrance should also contain a full mud room with showers, soap, rough to the skin brushes. Clothes if not determined to be radioactive can be washed. But, it would be safer to just throw them out as Biological and Chemical agents may have already been used. Burning can release more NBC into the air. Begin to test your Israeli or Swiss air cleaning machines. Put the replacement filters close by. Make sure your water storage tanks/cisterns are filling with clean drinking water.

Preindustrial Skill Sets Answer: Go forth and learn as many preindustrial skill sets as you can. Go and visit your local museum’s and inquire about how the people prior to the first industrial age lived. What skill sets did they all have so that they could have a thriving lifestyle for that age and not a survival lifestyle or worse a simple life of hopeless existence. Do include in your research how the purest indigenous peoples lived and thrived. Research how the purest Amish and Mennonites live without any modern day technologies. Do also consider farming, old boy scout, offgrid skill sets and other wilderness primitive survival skill sets. Do not go it alone. Form up or join up in groups who are like minded as you are. Being with many is a law of the animal kingdom. Without any modern day technology you are simply prey/food to the real animal predators. If you do go it alone. You will most likely die alone never to be found, recovered or even discovered. The more preindustrial skill sets you have the better your chances of survival. The more like minded people you are associated with who also have a large variety of preindustrial skill sets the greater your chances of all or most of your surviving and then evolving into a thriving community. Oh yes, your local museum’s are most likely very poor and could close down at any time. So drop some loving cash into their jars. Think about it, they are teaching you how to not die. How much is that worth to you? Drop cash every time you visit. If your a survivalist you want to reconsider taking/stealing their antique stuff because from my experience most of their antiques do not work and cannot even be used as spare parts.

90% Answer: According to a study released by the US DHS, about 9 in 10 of all people in CONUS will be dead within the first year of a nuclear exchange or a single Carrington event or a single centralized EMP event. These percentages will most likely be similar for every other modern day nation.

No One Is Coming! Answer: You need to realize right now that no one is coming to save you. No one is going to turn on the magic “ON” switch so that you can go back to your normal life. There will be no emergency services. No police protections. No justice system. No medical care or hospitals or medications. No dental care. No funeral homes. There will not be any internet, cell phones, cable T.V.’s, No modern day technology will work at all. There will not be any power, refrigeration, Trucks, Planes or trains. No automobiles will work at all. You cool LED light bulbs and flash lights all permanently dead. All of the modern day technological infrastructure will be permanently burned out. So how many candles and oil lamps do you have that work? How much oil do you have for those oil lamps. Do you have olive trees planted to make oil for your oil lamps? Get it, yet? No one is coming to save you. Look into how the American FEMA has allowed people to suffer and die. FEMA has hidden bodies. How FEMA has caused harm to civilians who came to help? How FEMA continues to this day blocking anyone they can from helping people to survive. This is a sign of the times that you must recognize.

Health, Youth And Well Being Answer: Survival is for the young, smart, wise, healthy and strong. Old people like me who have health concerns will not live past the 30-90 day mark. Those who have addictions will also most likely not survive. Those who have addictions may cause severe problems and issues if invited into your safe place or bunker. Those who are younger you need to stop drinking, smoking and drugging. You need to become physically fit like a runner or a swimmer and not like a body builder. You need to make sure all of your necessary dental work is up to date. You need to make sure you are not under any medical or mental health care if possible. For those who are older than child birth age. You may want to consider doing everything that you can so that your children and grandchildren survive you. I know my odds now just like I knew my odds back in the early 1980’s. You need to know your odds while at the same time raising your families odds. Even if that means working beyond your retirement age, returning to the work force, changing careers or planning a do-over strategy for your entire family. Which means you may in fact be wholly financially responsible for all of it. Do it all with love, mercy and compassion.

Worse Things Answer: Each and every aspect of NBC or Nuclear, Biological, Chemical is a direct threat to all life on this planet and not just the human ones. There are new technologies which are emerging and they are HP RF DEW’s or High Power Radio Frequency Directed Energy weapons and genetic manipulations of the genomes which include combining different parts of different genomes to gain some kind of planned change. Those changes can either be life promoting(Viable Chimera’s) or life ending or life extending or super human capabilities and other imaginative effects. These things are no longer science fiction. Guess what they are all classified.

Life Style Change Do Over Answer: You may have to seriously consider a do over. Especially if your residence does not meet the minimum standards. In which most do not. That is not an exaggeration. Can you make a total life style change? Are you even able to gather your entire family and friends together and form up your own little community of like minded people? When you discover that no one else within your family is willing to make any life style changes are you willing to find like minded communities and live among them? Or shall you become a lone lonely loner who lives alone like the survivalists fantasize about. The going it alone approach is a false teaching and you will typically fail and you will most likely end up dying alone. You will understand more about this do over and life style change if you continue reading. This may also mean that you need to consider the selling of vacation and holiday properties. This may also mean selling real estate and businesses which are or will be remote to your new life. This may mean helping your own family members move to a new family compound and all of you learning new skill sets. In no way am I suggesting that you suddenly become financially stupid or unwise.

Rules Of Three Answer: This will be a partial answer and you will need to know it. This is a rule of thumb. Air, Shelter, Water, Food. There are extreme cases for or against this rule of thumb. Such as air and if you go without air for 3 minutes. Then you die. But, you can die in less than three minutes and in some cases for more than three minutes. Your skin can absorb bad gasses and you can still die even when removed from the bad gasses and given medical grade O2. So the point is that there are extremes to the rules of three. In which those extremes are very low possibilities. But, are still possibilities.

Survival Sucks Answer: You have basically three mindsets on how to live your life. You can live an existent lifestyle, a survival situation and a thriving lifestyle. If you are reading this right now they you are most likely living a thriving lifestyle. The worse mindset to have is the simple existence mindset in which you are completely apathetic to everything and you are just waiting to die. What is bad about this existent mindset is that there are people who should have a thriving lifestyle but have believed to many lies as truths and know to many truths as lies. The survival situation is not a planned event and you’re not Les Stroud. A survival situation is not a camping trip, a holiday trip or a vacation event. A survival situation means that you can actually die at any time regardless if you have done everything right, correct and on time. Survival is not fun and it is not a game to be played. In nuclear war you will have no choice and no power. In a direct hit 24 hour duration Carrington event you will have no choice and no power. There is no one coming to save you. In order to survive you must already be fully prepared or you will be one of the 9 in 10 who will die. That’s it end of story and no re-spawns. But, since your reading this. You will most likely be the unfortunate soul who gets to bury all of their loved ones, friends and neighbors. You get to be the holder of all of their memories until you die. So yea, survival sucks.

Prep, Prepper And Preparation Answer: Even the Holy Bible tells stories about how the wise prepare for all things and the fools act foolishly. Go to your actual Bible believing church and ask a pastor about Bible stories of preparation. So prepping is a Biblical thing that all Christians should be doing. The woman with plenty of oil for her lamp. The abandoned, enslaved prisoner who saved Egypt and his family. The guy who built a boat for more than 100 years. There are more.

Castle Keep Answer: Any loss of life is terrible especially when the American government is still perpetuating the suffering of people who have endured an emergency event more than 2 months ago. Here is a question how many of the thousands of lives lost in the hurricane devastation were preppers? We will never know but this is a crucial lesson which must be learned in order to save lives in every surviving generation of families, neighbors, churches and communities. Your home must be that safe place you run to. Your home must be that sanctuary of safety, security and peace. Your home must be your castle and inside your own you must have your castle keep. When prepping and preparing your shelter should be the first thing that you think about. You should not have to flee from your home in order to seek safety and security. I highly suggest that you should research solid one piece concrete monolithic dome homes. What ever building style you choose it must be able to do more than withstand any of the commonly occurring weather related emergency events which may or will come in their seasons. Your home must be able to withstand a direct hit from a tornado, forest fires, floods, ice and snow storms, Extreme heat and cold. You really need to think about this. Because, what is the point of surviving a nuclear war, military invasion, alien invasions, zombies attacks when you, your family, your neighbors are already dead because of a commonly occurring weather emergency event while living in an insufficient home. The solid one piece concrete monolithic dome homes can almost do it all. Like I said your living situation may force you to concede that you and your family are truly in a do over situation. Do not continue to gamble with the lives of your family with the hope that the next emergency weather event wont hit you. Shelter is 3 hours.

Land Answer: Before you engineer and build your home you need sufficient land and that land must have a good clean drinking water source. Especially from the ground which can be hidden and pumped. This is the first rule of thumb when building a castle. You must have direct access to origin point of a clean water source. Your land should also be upwind and far away from all military bases/posts, nuclear power plants, major industrial and manufacturing centers, airports, rail lines, major highways and POE’s. Your land should be hard to see, find and get to. Which makes life difficult. Water is 3 days.

Home Air Answer: Your engineered home must have continuous air coming in and used air going out. This should be a silent process. You must maintain a positive air pressure within your living spaces. The positive air pressure is needed to keep out any Radiological, Biological or Viral airborne contaminants. You must have a dedicated NBC filtration systems which are either made in Israel or by the Swiss. Do not use any other systems. You must have added filters on hand. If you have any other fears like volcanic ash. You will need added filtration systems for those as well. Air is 3 minutes.

Home Entrances And Alignment Answer: Every entrance or egress point must have a 90 degree turn with ample mass. You should not be able to shine a LASER from the outside and into the inside of your home. This is for Gamma radiation mitigation. This includes windows. Your home may need to be aligned to the correct seasonal sun. This may mean the walls are shaded to the summer sun and the walls exposed to the winter sun. Just like the headboards of your beds should be facing north while your feet are aimed to the south. The whole home must be aligned properly in regards to the existing terrain and to the positions of green houses, vegetable plots, fruit tree groves, outlying farm buildings and etc.

Tall Home Basement Systems Answer: This is a system. You can consider the basement system as your castle keep. The roof of the tall basement should be built into the basement wall structure. You should have a tall basement. A basement with three feet of under your basement floor space and two feet of over head space. This is for infrastructure and storage space. You do no want your loving, peaceful home becoming a dusty, dark and dank cold war warehouse space. If your kids are scared then your wrong. You should have a hidden and discrete emergency tunnel. Root Cellar Answer: You should have a two room thermally isolated root cellar. If possible the thermally isolated root cellar can be below the tall basement. The day room of the root cellar should be positioned with a dumb waiter which goes into he primary kitchen. The day root cellar should also have sufficient sized drains to evacuate fluids of animals being processed. Which means your day root cellar must have its own water supply. The long term larger thermally isolated root cellar should have its own discrete and hidden emergency exit as well as an entry and egress point to and from the green houses or seed starting and seed storage room. Your dual powered water pump should be in a place which is in the lowest spot of your entire tall basement system. You must mitigate all noises and vibrations from your powered/manual water pump’s and any water movements. You also need to consider all of your water filtration devices, associated work space, many pallets of water softening salt bags storage, distillation machines and etc. Which means how do you efficiently hide and move several pallets of 50 pound salt bags into the basement while keeping it all hidden. Multipurpose Answer: Banks may not like how you may want to build a doomsday safe house. So think of different names when applying for any kind of loans. Mom in law suite, spare apartment, Man cave, She Shed, entertainment and game room, panic room/safe room, Hobby space, exercise area, library, home office or build in a variety of functions and purposes. Building a space which brings in more revenue to the household is what banks love.

Green Houses Answer: Your large green houses must be properly aligned with the correct seasonal sun for growing foods. Your green houses should have their own powered and manual water pumps. You should also have a good alignment with the house and root cellar’s. While keeping access to the root cellars easy, discrete and hidden. There should be good and reasonable access to and from the outer farm related gardens. Which means make the doors too narrow and you will have productivity issues. The same with not having engineered pre staging space for the outside foods prior to moving into the root cellars. This works both ways. Your engineered all natural green houses should be of a multicultural design. Which will work for your specific growing region. Begin by researching the old Nebraska guy who grows fruiting citrus trees inside of his green houses. Food is 3 weeks.

Seed Time And Food Answer: You need to realize this. It takes three weeks to starve to death. While it can take up to or more than 90 days to grow vegetables. Assuming your in the correct time of your growing season for your specific growing region. It can take up to 5 years for a fruit tree to bare first fruits and then another 1–2 years to full fruits. The avocado can take up to 10 years to go to first fruits. Then what happens when you have crop failures. How will you not starve to death? But, if your still reading this you will most likely be the one stubborn person who gets to bury all of your loved ones before you finally get to die.

Emergency Foods Answer: The amount of emergency foods that you will need is not the amount you think you need. Your emergency food stores is for every kind of emergency. You will need emergency foods for your whole family plus guests. You will need emergency foods for when you have crop failures and enough to take you through the next growing season. How long can that be? If your one of the blessed meek types of God. You may require emergency foods for the year or more that you remain hidden underground. So do the math. If nuclear war starts in December. You will need to hide for one year plus the additional time to the beginning of the next growing season. Then hopefully when you open those doors all of your food trees and animals will be alive. That would be about 3 or more years of emergency foods per person and surprise guests.

Food Storage, Canning And Temperature Stable Answer: This is a skill set which must be known. This is your first line of defense for food storage. You need to know how long foods lasts when properly canned, vacuumed pack, freeze dried. You consume these foods first. Typically the cooler and drier you keep your foods. You can actually extend the shelf life. You cannot go from hot to cold often or seasonally or yearly. All of your food storage areas must be as cold as possible and remain at that stable temperature all year long. This is why I call the root cellars thermally isolated from the living spaces. Living spaces are warmer than the root cellar. Your root cellar must remain at one temperature all year long. You can even add a insulated two door system into and out of the root cellars. You go in one door, close that door and then open the inner door into the root cellar. This is critical as food spoilage can kill your loved ones. Then you get to bury them for your screw ups. Getting serious now isn’t it. Food poisoning is not that big of a deal right now because we all can just go to the store and self medicate the problem away. But, in the aftermath of the SHTF people are going to die from food poisoning.

Retail Canned Foods Answer: You need to know the use by dates for each kind of retail canned or other non perishable foods. Then you incorporate them into you food bank. You must practice FIFO which means First In First Out. This also includes rice and other grains.

Heirloom Seed Answer: This is your actual real gold and silver. You must be OCD in regards to heirloom seed organization and documentation. You should have on hand many thousands of different kinds of heirloom seeds. Even those seeds which do not do well within your growing region. Those seeds can be used as gifts or for trade. So that all of humanity can recover from the insanity of politicians who falsely call themselves leaders.

Medical Supplies Answer: You need to have ample medical supplies. What is just as important is having the skill sets of a nurse, doctor who can still treat patients with zero equipment, supplies and tests. Because when the modern era ends everyone who does survive will begin to die in the same ways as people died prior to the industrial age. people will die in child birth, from dental issues, broken bones, simple broken skin, infections, parasites, food poisoning, common cold, and a whole host of other ailments in which people do not die from in this modern era.

Outlying Buildings Answer: Each outlying building should have its own tall basement as well as it’s own dual powered water pump. Which mean you must be able to manually pump water. You should be able to house your animals for a year or more. The tall basement can be used for storage for year round food. You need to remember there will not be any farm or feed stores or any other kind of bog box store. You can use a culvert system to tunnel your way from the house to every other building. The less you can be seen or heard above ground. The better your chances of not having visitors. If wandering people see, smell or hear your animals. Then your animals can become their food. No you will not have enough bullets, guns or manpower to protect all of your assets. You will need to develop an efficient and safe system.