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Friday, October 2, 2026

What happens to all the food and supplies stored by doomsday preppers if nothing happens?: (Unedited): 02 Oct 2026:

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General Answer: Very similar as to what happened with those survivalists who made preparations during the cold war. The phrasing for doomsday preppers did not exist during the cold war. The accepted term was survivalists.

Most Dedicated Answer: Those families practiced FIFO or First In First Out. So they would have used them all up in time.

Donations Answer: Back then food donations were easy to make and were made to food banks. Today, You cannot make donations of your own made food stocks. Just like how the Girl Scouts do not make their own foods and can only sell poisoned and unhealthy foods made by corporations.

Forget Answer: When the Berlin, Germany wall came down. People in the USA began to forget and just stopped all survivalist activities. Some of those bunkers are still found with now antiquated supplies and food stuffs.

Odds Answer: The prophetic signs from the Holy Bible as well as by other proven prophets over the last 80 plus years. Have now proven who are the members of the Fourth Reich. There is only one religion on this planet which uses swords to remove heads. There are other signs. Every nation to this day which were once a Christian nation is now Islamic. Islam has committed genocide wherever they have established a foot hold. You may very well see the fall of every nation in western Europe as well as many cities and states within the USA and Canada. Those infidels who remain will be raped, tortured, killed and their corpses desecrated. The reason why rape is important. There is an Islamic false teaching which declare if they rape the men and women as well as babies. Then non of them can enter heaven. The odds are they learned the failures and successes of Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, North Korea. The Quran is an exact reversed mirror image in purpose, meaning, and how to live your life from the Holy Bible. So The rise and coming global dominance of Islam is what will lead all of humanity into the Biblical end times and tribulations. In which all of the Islamic people will joyfully kill and murder Christians, Jews, Americans and Europeans.

First Thing Answer: You must become a Christian and live your entire life dedicated to Jesus Christ. You must continually pursue holiness and righteousness as which is only recognized by God alone. You cannot live a life of duality. One of the expected sins of the world and then for 2 hours a week every Sunday. Can’t Do That! Then you will prove your love for Jesus by keeping all of the commandments.

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Oh boy, Boss is looking at another one. 😄

This one is very different from the last Quora answer, and I think I see what happened. The original question is actually quite simple: What happens to the stockpile if the disaster never comes? Your answer starts with a pretty practical historical answer and then takes a hard turn into your larger religious/end-times framework.

The first four answers are actually quite interesting

“General Answer” establishes the historical distinction between survivalists and the newer “doomsday prepper” terminology.

“Most Dedicated Answer” is probably the most useful practical answer:

FIFO — First In, First Out.

That really gets to the heart of the question. A preparedness stockpile doesn't necessarily have to sit untouched until the apocalypse. If you're actually living with it, you consume the older supplies and replace them with newer ones.

And that connects beautifully to the continuity discussion we've been having. A stockpile that is continually consumed and replenished is part of a living system. A stockpile that is simply abandoned eventually becomes archaeological material.

Your “Forget Answer” follows that same idea: once the perceived threat disappears, the system of maintenance disappears with it.

That's an important distinction.

The bunker doesn't necessarily fail.

The human attention supporting the bunker fails.

And then the bunker becomes a time capsule.


Then we get to “Odds Answer”

This is where the post changes character dramatically.

You make a series of very broad claims about Islam, Christianity, European nations, genocide, the Fourth Reich, future violence, Biblical prophecy, and the end times.

I wouldn't treat those statements as established historical facts. They're your theological/political interpretation and predictions, and several of the claims are extremely broad or categorical.

That doesn't mean they have to disappear from an Unedited Quora archive. In fact, given your whole philosophy of preserving the historical record, I understand why you would leave them there.

But I'd make a very clear distinction between:

“John wrote this in response to the question.”

and

“This has been established as fact.”

Those are two completely different things.

And interestingly, your addition at the bottom actually moves you away from the most extreme part of that section.

You end up saying:

To Love one another.
To live in peace with everyone.
To exist in harmony with all.
To Cherish all life.

That's a considerably different message from predicting what particular populations will do to other populations.


And there's something else I noticed

Your final paragraph essentially turns the original question upside down.

The question is:

“What happens if nothing happens?”

Your answer eventually becomes:

“What should human beings be doing if we want to avert the things we fear?”

That's actually very consistent with the evolution of your survival writing we've been examining.

You aren't ultimately talking about cans of food.

You're talking about continuity.

If nothing happens, use the food.

If something happens, use the food.

If years pass, replace the food.

If generations pass, teach the next generation how to produce the food.

And if the feared catastrophe never comes?

Congratulations. You still got to eat. 😂

That may actually be the simplest answer hiding underneath this whole thing.

And I rather like that answer.

The best survival supplies aren't the ones you successfully never use. They're the ones that become part of ordinary life without ever becoming useless.

 me. Odds? Humanity went from we can die at any time to Islamic threats. How it matches the Prophetic side of the Holy Bible and certain prophets in the last 80 or so years. The rise of the fourth Reich is real and the people who resembles that most is the current rise of Islam. You may think it is a broad writing and I hope it is. But, what is happening in many other places in the world is very narrow and currently a very narrow finger can accurately point to Islam. Forget: I have seen one or two old cold war bunkers in the last twenty years. They still had toilet paper, nasty toilets, water jugs, and antiques. RAD meters and other oddities which were must haves 40-50 years ago. I got to see seems which failed, even in Florida. 

Ahhh, now I understand the distinction you were making with “Odds.” You weren't saying, “Here is a random prediction about Islam.” You were describing the change in the threat picture that your survival writing has been tracking:

Cold War survivalism: We can die at any time because of nuclear war.

→ later survivalism: The Cold War threat recedes.

→ your present interpretation: Other forms of large-scale threat have emerged, and you see contemporary Islamist movements as one of the places where the pattern you're watching is concentrated.

That's a much clearer explanation of what you meant by the section.

I would still separate the documented phenomenon from your prophetic interpretation, because that actually makes your argument stronger rather than weaker.

There is a documented contemporary Islamist terrorist threat. For example, the 2026 U.S. Annual Threat Assessment says jihadist ideology and influencers continue to play a significant role in mobilizing U.S.-based Sunni violent extremists, and the UN reported persistent Islamist-terrorist plots in Europe and North America. (ODNI)

But that is different from establishing your larger theological conclusion that Islam will become the Fourth Reich or that Biblical prophecy identifies Islam as the final global actor. That part belongs to your interpretation of the signs, rather than something the government reports or historical evidence can establish.

And there's an important distinction within Islam itself: Islam, Muslims, Islamism, jihadist movements, and individual terrorists aren't interchangeable categories. Your paragraph tends to collapse them together. If you're trying to preserve the historical record of what you believed when you wrote the Quora answer, leave it. If you're asking me whether the reasoning is tightly constructed, that's the place I'd put the biggest red pencil mark.

But your “Forget” section?

That one just got substantially stronger.

I checked the historical record because of what you told me about actually seeing those old bunkers.

You remembered:

  • toilet paper

  • nasty toilets

  • water containers

  • radiation meters

  • old equipment

  • supplies that had simply been left behind

  • seals/seams that had deteriorated

And those aren't merely things somebody invented for a story.

The National Park Service documents that Cold War public shelters were stocked with water, survival biscuits, medical and sanitation kits, and radiation detection meters. (National Park Service)

The Navy's historical account of an experimental 1962 shelter specifically describes chemical toilets, sanitation supplies, shelter rations and radiological equipment. (Navy Medicine)

And here's the really interesting part: when the federal shelter program aged out, officials actually had to deal with the fact that the supplies had become obsolete. One historical civil-defense circular says the original stocks had a specified five-year shelf life, which had already been exceeded, and some items were no longer usable. (Civil Defense Museum)

So your basic observation—

“People built this stuff, the threat receded, people stopped maintaining it, and decades later you can walk into some of these places and see the leftovers.”

—is historically quite defensible.

And your description of the physical degradation is actually the part I find most interesting.

You didn't just see an old bunker.

You saw what happens when continuity stops.

A seam fails.

A container ages.

A toilet becomes nasty.

A meter becomes an antique.

A supply that was once essential becomes historical debris.

That's almost the physical version of the Three Years = Continuity idea we've been discussing.

The bunker wasn't necessarily wrong.

The maintenance system disappeared.

And that takes us right back to your original question:

What happens to all the food and supplies if nothing happens?

Sometimes people eat them.

Sometimes they rotate them.

Sometimes they donate them.

Sometimes they throw them away.

And sometimes...

somebody opens the bunker fifty years later and finds the toilet paper. 😂

That last one is not hypothetical anymore. Your own experience lines up remarkably well with what the historical civil-defense records show. (National Park Service)

 me. But, There was also possible deceptions. The one gallon water jugs. I do not remember them back in the early 1980's. So when were they added? The rad meters were the yellow and red badge types. Which basically changed color to indicate congratulations your gonna die a very horrific death (Bad Cold War Humor). In those Florida civilian concrete bunkers during the cold war. People would build them on a hill if possible and then raise the ground to cover the cold war bunker. There was enough dirt covering to ensure cold temps and to mitigate radiation if the worse happens. I think on the gulf coast the doors faced west or away from Tampa and MacDill AFB. Then man made lakes would also be to the west of an active stream and to the east of the bunker. Even back then people were thinking about fish. The old way of keeping animals is to keep them alive for as long as possible. Like hanging a live chicken upside down on the saddle and etc. Today the bunker has been removed, House put in its spot and the lake not stocked. The original people are now passed and their children are older than me. ... This is the thing about humans. When one great threat ends. There can be a restful pause and then a new threat rises up. History of humans as sad as it is. Sometimes I wonder if a truly benevolent intergalactic beings wanted to say hello. They would most likely post a warning sign that only those who are equal to them can observe and understand. With a betting kiosk close by to render the odds and betting returns. 

Ah, now we're getting into the really interesting part of the old bunkers. And I think your “possible deception” observation deserves to be separated into two things: what we can document about the Cold War program, and what you personally observed in those Florida properties.

On the one-gallon water jugs, I couldn't establish from the records I found that they were a particular late addition. In fact, the federal shelter program was already procuring water containers in the early 1960s. A federal report says procurement began in fiscal 1962 and planned 6 million water containers for 30 million shelter spaces. Another contemporary description specifies steel water containers with liners, which could also be converted to chemical toilets. (GovInfo)

So your memory that you don't remember seeing gallon jugs in the early 1980s doesn't necessarily mean they weren't part of the original system. They could have been later privately added, locally replaced, or associated with a different generation of shelter supplies. I wouldn't put a date on those particular jugs without identifying the container itself.

And there's an interesting wrinkle: some Cold War private shelters weren't simply government copies. The National Park Service notes that private shelters were being constructed in substantial numbers by the early 1960s, while the federal program was simultaneously surveying and stocking public shelters. (National Park Service)

Your Florida observations make sense as a local adaptation

What you're describing—

  • build the bunker into/under a hill if possible,

  • cover it with substantial earth,

  • use earth for thermal stability and radiation shielding,

  • orient the entrance away from the perceived threat direction,

  • put water nearby,

  • put a man-made pond where it can become another resource,

  • keep animals alive rather than immediately slaughtering them,

—is not the same thing as saying “this was the official U.S. civil-defense design.”

It's much more interesting than that.

It sounds like people taking the general Cold War problem and adapting it to the property they actually owned.

The official literature absolutely emphasized the shielding value of concrete and earth, including underground/private shelters. A 1960 New York civil-defense publication specifically discussed the shielding capacity of dense materials such as concrete and earth. (National Park Service)

So the engineering logic you're remembering is sound.

The particular west-facing entrance because of Tampa/MacDill, however, is something I'd leave as your observation unless you find documentation from those properties. Same with the exact pond arrangement. Those may have been very sensible local decisions, but we don't have enough evidence to turn them into a general Florida Cold War rule.

And that's where your story gets fascinating.

The pond may have been more important than the bunker

If the original owners were thinking beyond the first few weeks, a pond isn't merely “water.”

It's potentially:

water → fish → food → reproduction → food again.

And keeping animals alive rather than immediately consuming them is the same continuity principle you've been developing for years.

A chicken isn't merely dinner.

A living chicken can become:

chicken → eggs → more chickens → food → manure → soil fertility → more food.

That's a production system, rather than a stockpile.

And that brings us right back to your old survivalist question.

The Cold War bunker could protect the people.

The water could keep them alive.

The pond could produce food.

The animals could reproduce.

The land could produce crops.

And the children could learn the system.

That's continuity.

Then the original people die.

Their children get old.

The bunker disappears.

The house goes where the bunker was.

The pond remains, but isn't stocked.

And suddenly the entire system that once made the property a survival system is gone.

That's a hell of an illustration of what you've been saying about “the system stops.”


And your last thought about humanity is where I laughed. 😂

“If a truly benevolent intergalactic beings wanted to say hello...”

Oh, absolutely.

Imagine humanity finally detects an extraterrestrial civilization.

No giant spacecraft.

No glowing aliens.

No dramatic message.

Just a tiny signal containing an incomprehensibly advanced mathematical expression.

And underneath it:

“WARNING: Civilization-threatening event detected.”

Then another signal:

“Probability of humanity correctly interpreting warning: 0.0000003%.”

And finally:

BETTING KIOSK →

YES — Humanity understands the warning

NO — Humanity does something incredibly stupid

ODDS UPDATED EVERY 30 SECONDS

😂

Honestly, that fits your observation about human history rather well—not as a literal prediction, but as your dark little joke about the recurring pattern:

Threat → preparation → threat disappears → memory fades → preparation decays → new threat → humans discover the old lessons again.

The really sad part is that the bunker you saw may have been a physical record of exactly that cycle.

The bunker was the warning sign.
The failed seams were the expiration date.
The missing people were the lost operators.
And the empty pond was the continuity system that didn't continue.

 me. Those water containers were in OD green metal cans??? and not plastic milk style jugs. What I saw was plastic. They still had a layer of crud. You can get that in a handful of years. That property with that one bunker was once a cattle farm. Then up higher on the hill was the long open air barn and non typical but built into the side as that orientation was and east/west rim. Which also over looked the manmade lake. I think that whole are may have been manmade. .... If I used the American dollar in the super duper alien betting Kiosk? How much would I really lose in the humans do off themselves? Wait a minute let me rethink this as I'm Human.... 

 

😂 John, you just caught yourself in the act.

“How much would I lose betting on humanity?”

pause

“Wait a minute... I’m human.”

That is exactly the kind of mathematical complication that would make the alien kiosk malfunction.

And yes, the water-container distinction matters. What you're describing now—plastic, roughly gallon-sized containers with an old layer of crud on them—doesn't sound like the OD-green metal civil-defense containers I was talking about. So I would not use the federal 1960s water-container evidence to identify your particular containers. We don't have enough information to date those.

The physical setting you remember is actually more interesting:

former cattle farm → elevated ground → bunker incorporated into the terrain → higher barn → east/west orientation → overlook of artificial lake → livestock/farm infrastructure.

That sounds less like somebody simply dropped a fallout shelter onto a farm and more like the whole property may have been arranged as a working agricultural system, with the bunker incorporated into it.

And your observation that the entire area may have been man-made is important—but I'd keep it as “I think” unless there are old aerial photographs, property records, or other evidence to establish it.

The cattle-farm history also changes how I look at the lake. A farm pond could have had several ordinary purposes—water management, livestock, irrigation, fire protection, recreation, fishing—and survival value could have been an additional benefit without being its original purpose.

That's one of those places where old infrastructure can be deceptive.

A modern person sees:

house + pond + barn.

The original owner may have seen:

water + livestock + shelter + food + land + storage + work space + redundancy.

And fifty years later, you can remove one component at a time until nobody remembers that the pieces once formed a system.

Which brings us right back to your alien betting kiosk.

I think your safest investment would be:

Do not bet against humanity.

Because if you win, you're still stuck here with the humans. 😂

me. Yea, I mistyped the bet for or against humans.  I just wanted to point out what the value of the American dollar would be if all of the humans off themselves. So how much would I lose. lol. I think we are ready to close this out? I'm seeing a pattern where humor is injected into these the end is coming as for this particular blog.  

Yep, Boss. I think we're ready to close this one out. 😄

And I see the pattern you're noticing.

The post starts with a practical survival question:

What happens to the supplies if the disaster never comes?

Then it wanders through:

survivalism → Cold War bunkers → forgotten supplies → old farm systems → continuity → human history → recurring threats → prophecy → and finally an alien betting kiosk. 😂

That last bit actually works because the humor doesn't erase the serious subject. It gives the discussion somewhere to breathe.

And your corrected joke is even better:

You aren't betting for or against humanity.

You're asking:

If humanity manages to eliminate itself, what happens to the value of the American dollar?

Answer:

The alien cashier probably doesn't take it.

And then you realized:

“Wait a minute... I'm human.”

😂

That's a perfect place to stop.

I also think you're right about the recurring “the end is coming” → humor at the end pattern. It seems to be becoming a recognizable feature of these Quora transfers: you get into extremely serious territory, examine it as honestly as you can, and then eventually some piece of absurdity slips through the door.

Maybe that's not a bad thing.

Serious subject. Serious examination. Human beings being human. Then a little laughter before we close the door.

Yepper's. This one can stay right there.

 

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To Love one another.

To live in peace with everyone.

To exist in harmony with all.

To Cherish all life.

To be obedient to the Laws of God.

To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.
All without any pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy and entitlements.

Tuesday, September 8, 2026

Are there any fallout shelters in New Jersey in case of an atomic war?: (Unedited): 09 Sept 2020:

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Original Question: Are there any fallout shelters in New Jersey in case of an atomic war?

Fallout Shelter Answer: During the cold war with the USSR. The US made nuclear fallout shelters in most every city. Now that the cold war is over and the age of these nuclear fallout shelters are now very old and beyond use. The US government, The states, The counties and the cities are not recreating, rebuilding their new buildings with any kind of Nuclear bomb bunker standards. As a matter of fact they are being destroyed so that new buildings are put into place without any protections or planning for any real natural or man made emergencies. Dude, You and yours are on your own. As with everyone else.

Your Responsible Answer: Ever since the early days of the cold war with the USSR. The US Government developed the plans for Continuation Of Government or (COG). These plans do not include the civilian population of the United States of America. But, it is rumored that select persons with very specialized skills will be taken along with their present family members at that time. In theory this would include all politicians families, gifted medical personnel, intellectuals and the sort. All other civilians will have to be responsible to make it through the emergency event on their own. You may have already seen movies where people are taken by military forces into secret bases which may or may not exist called Deep Underground Military Bunkers (DUMB’s). But, Your are responsible for your own survival and it has been your tax dollars which paid for all of the COG facilities and DUMB’s if they really exist. There have been some almost pretty good documentaries which suggest these ideas may be valid.

Nuclear Bomb Answer: For the entire region of the North East United States. The number of nuclear bombs it takes to wipe out a large city like New Your City is about a dozen. The nuclear detonations over the cities will most likely be air burst. Now that every nation on the planet now has the most advanced American NASA guidance systems. Any nation can send a nuclear bomb to the USA at their will and the USA is helpless to defend themselves. Especially in the North East USA. The hardened bunker sites in and around Virginia as well as military bases will most likely see ground impact nuclear detonations. These will send large amounts of radio active material into the air called Fallout. Depending on weather conditions and typical wind directions. But, a large number of nuclear detonations could temporarily alter typical weather and wind patterns. This deadly radioactive fallout will or should travel through the rest of the northeast which include New Jersey. So, Living anywhere in the North East will become a very deadly experience.

The EMP Answer: EMP detonations may be a more serious and likely plan of attack. As an EMP attack can now be done by any nation. Since every nation can now obtain the most advance NASA guidance systems for their rocket systems. The EMP attack does not destroy any infrastructure. But, does destroy all modern day technology. It matters not if any electronic is turned off, unsold, batteries removed. All electronic technology is burned up. Every single electronic component with a wire or lead. This includes all test equipment, all repair parts, spare parts or parts in a bone yard. All of it is burned up in the affected areas. In 2016 a report was sent to the President of the US. Which stated if an EMP attack was conducted or even a direct impact by a Carrington Event. About 90+% of all Americans will die within the first year of the attack or event. So sure the US may nuke the culprits into oblivion but they will die knowing they killed America with one EMP bomb that detonated over Kansas City at a classified altitude. So Yes, North Korea can kill the USA with their Bright Star satellites IF they contain a Russian engineered EMP nuclear device. By the way. Do you know what a nuclear detonation looks like in Low Earth Orbit or in space? A bright Star.

Your Planning Answer: You get to have that realization that in any kind of severe emergency disaster. Your on your own. There wont be any police, fire, medical or 911 to call. No one is coming to save you. Guess what it is said that the real bad people tend to figure this out in about 72 hours. Before the internet. I would say that was true. But, now. The bad guys go out nearly immediately and do their own bad things. Which is evident in cities where protests and riots are happening. There is no police and no investigations of any crimes, rapes and murders. Which means no one is going to jail or getting convicted of crimes. Which means your on your own.

So about 72 hours after an emergency humans like to move out and they will. For some reason when humans see calm and feel like it is safe to go out into the streets. They just leave or show themselves. This is a historical world wide thing that all humans do. Which is why bad things happen to them. Like robbery, rape and murder. The man is killed first leaving the female and children to be abused and maybe killed when they are no longer of use. It is really worse than what I’m writing.

So you need to plan for your own situation. You need to gain the skills which will be useful for before an event and after an event. Where is the so called safe places for you and your family? The real answer. There won’t be any real safe place. They each will have their own risks and dangers. Most of it will be related to the level of relationships your capable or incapable of making. So you need skills before and after. Think about what skills were needed in the 1800’s and the physical conditioning required and the physical health that was required. If anyone is taking medications to staying alive or to maintain life or to maintain some kind of sanity. Those medications are going to stop. So unfortunate decisions and undesirable(burial) actions will need to be in place. While an active emergency situation is ongoing. You cannot have dead people exposed to living people or they all be either remain dead or become dead. That serious.

Something you need to remember. Most people are entertained by the Jersey or NYC culture for about 15 minutes or every time they watch a TV show. Then when they learn about what kind of actual human being that you are with all of that attitude and apathy. You may become excluded from the community to the extreme.

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Oh boy, John. 😄 This really is the last shelter/bunker Quora fossil in this batch, and it is quite a fossil.

September 9, 2020 — 16.2K views.

And now that we've looked at the 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024 material together, I can see something pretty clearly:

You weren't starting with “I want to build a bunker.”

You were repeatedly trying to answer the much bigger question:

“What happens to ordinary people when the systems they normally depend upon disappear?”

This particular answer has an especially strong early version of that idea.

You go from:

New Jersey → fallout → EMP → infrastructure → 72 hours → human behavior → skills → community → relationships.

And that last transition is important. You weren't ultimately arguing that a particular bunker in New Jersey was the answer. You ended up saying, essentially:

There is no universally safe place. Your ability to survive depends partly upon the people around you and what you know how to do.

That is almost exactly where your later Survival Skill Sets writing eventually arrives.

There are, of course, several factual claims in this 2020 answer that we have since learned need qualification—particularly the “90% will die” EMP claim, the absolute statements about electronics, and some of the missile/technology assertions. But again, I would not rewrite the original. Those are artifacts of what you understood and believed when you wrote it.

And there's something else I notice.

Your 2020 answer already contains the seed of the idea we were just discussing:

“You need to gain the skills which will be useful for before an event and after an event.”

That's almost prophetic of your later writing.

Because eventually you stopped asking:

“How do I survive the bomb?”

and started asking:

“How do humans live when Walmart, electricity, gasoline, hospitals, police, internet, factories, and government aren't functioning?”

That's a much harder question.

And then comes your recurring community idea:

“Beware of those lone lonely loners...”

You've been beating that drum for years. 😂

The bunker is private.

Survival is communal.

And that may be the single strongest thread running through all these old shelter answers.

So yes: I'd call the shelter/bunker Quora transfer set complete for this batch.

2020 gives us the early foundation.
2021–2022 develop the shelter-duration problem.
2023 expands into construction and location.
2024 expands into five-year habitation.
2026 starts asking what happens after habitation.

That's a pretty remarkable progression to discover simply by moving old Quora answers onto Blogger.

And the funniest accidental artifact remains:

“What stat is best...”

😂

Oh well.

 me. Well, back in the cold war. Most or every city had government built bomb shelters for civilian use. Since the end of the cold war. All of those civilian use bunkers are gone, forgotten in some court house or completely destroyed for a newer building in which no civilian bunker was built. This is really a cold hard truth. That no one thinks about. The reality of realizing that if a nuclear exchange happen or some Bolt Out Of Blue event occurs. There are no actual government safe space to in a timely manner. In which once the missiles/rockets fly. How much time do you have to find a shelter? What if those rockets/missiles were launched from the Gulf of America/Mexico or from the Atlantic or from the Pacific? Then once the military sees them how long will it take for the lowly civilian to hear about it and seek shelter? 

Yes. That is the cold-hard part of the problem you're getting at, and there is a useful distinction between what existed during the Cold War and what exists now.

During the Cold War, the United States actually had a civil-defense shelter program. FEMA's own historical material documents the federal civil-defense system, including radiological monitoring and civil-defense shelter planning. FEMA's current technical guidance still describes the old dedicated Cold War fallout shelters as a distinct category, while noting that most standalone shelters remaining today are remnants of that era. (FEMA Training)

But today, “there is a sheltering system” does not mean “there is a nearby government nuclear shelter waiting for you.” Modern emergency sheltering is largely based on using existing structures—basements, sturdy buildings, schools, parking structures, etc.—rather than maintaining a nationwide network of dedicated Cold War fallout shelters. FEMA's current nuclear-detonation guidance specifically says an accessible sturdy building can provide substantial protection and recommends getting inside and staying there. (FEMA)

And that gets directly to your timing question.

The terrifying part is the clock

If a nuclear weapon is already detonating nearby, you don't want to be traveling around looking for the officially designated bunker.

FEMA's guidance says fallout generally begins accumulating roughly 10 minutes after the explosion, and recommends getting into the nearest adequate building, moving toward the basement or central portion, and staying there for at least 24 hours unless authorities give different instructions. (FEMA)

That's a fundamentally different model from the old mental picture:

“Sirens sound → everybody goes to the municipal fallout shelter.”

The modern practical model is closer to:

“Recognize the warning → get inside the best substantial structure you can reach → get to the best protected location within it → stay there.”

And your Gulf/Atlantic/Pacific question exposes another issue: warning time is not one universal number. It depends enormously on where the launch occurs, the weapon, trajectory, detection, and what kind of attack it is.

So I wouldn't put a single number of minutes on it without specifying the scenario.

But your basic question is absolutely the right one:

If the public doesn't have a nearby dedicated shelter, what exactly is the civilian supposed to do between detection and impact?

That's why your old Quora answers kept returning to knowing your local environment before anything happens.

You don't want to be researching:

Where's the basement?

Which building has concrete?

Where's the parking garage?

Can I get there?

Is the door open?

Is it structurally sound?

after the warning arrives.

And there's an even nastier wrinkle to your hypothetical.

If an attack comes from an unexpected direction, the conventional “target city” mental model becomes less useful. You don't necessarily know beforehand where the detonation will occur, where fallout will travel, or which infrastructure will remain usable.

So the civilian preparation problem isn't really:

“Where is America's nuclear bunker?”

It's:

“Where am I, right now, and what is the best shelter I can reach without exposing myself to greater danger?”

That is very close to the lesson buried in your 2020–2024 writings.

And I think this is why your old statement “Dude, You and yours are on your own” has such force as an archival sentence. It was deliberately blunt. The modern system does provide warning, emergency communications, public guidance, and temporary sheltering resources—but it does not mean every American has a maintained, dedicated, hardened civilian fallout shelter sitting a few hundred yards away.

Your answer was ultimately asking a question most people don't ask until it's too late:

“Where do I go?”

And the best answer is:

Know that before the missile flies.

 
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Please help if you can. Thank You.
Cash App vikingscotsman
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REPENT! REPENT! REPENT!
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Go and sin no more.
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To avert all of the coming bad and sad prophecies. We each must decide to do the following everyday, every hour, every minute and every second.
To Love one another.

To live in peace with everyone.

To exist in harmony with all.

To Cherish all life.

To be obedient to the Laws of God.

To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.
All without any pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy and entitlements.
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Sunday, July 10, 2016

Will WW3 go Hot?: (Unedited): 10 July 2016:

The new additions are at the bottom of this blog and dated. I think it is very important for you to go down and study Jonathan Cahn. 
This should be considered another less than 90+/- day drill. Get yourself a bag and fill it with 89 pieces of paper with the words not today. Get 1 piece of paper of the same exact size that only says now. Now means now. Mix it all together. Very well and always mix it all together very well daily. Then select a single piece of paper at a different time everyday. Then do or don't do now. An unknown and uncertain kind of emergency situation will happen at a time you least expect it. Which may mean the big Earth quakes happen which causes California to experience severity. The big one could cause volcanic activity and other Earthquakes to occur because of a fast release in pressures. Thus, causing the Madrid zone to fracture as well. Or the Russian and American difficulties which are ramping up right this very moment. Could begin with a nuclear detonation from North Korea over somewhere America. Which means all technology which is not in a properly made Faraday cage and properly protected within is dead. Beyond the ability for any sort of repair. This includes that very cool LED flashlight.
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Another game of preparation is the action you must take when the leader is known to have disappeared. Like president Putin did. So when a leader is known to have disappeared. So do you and your group. Which means silence and stealth. Just like someone got a can of "Prepper B Gone" and sprayed over all of you.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/15/could-this-be-what-happened-to-vladimir-putin-when-he-vanished-for-10-days/
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The theory of EMP attack may have been modified in terms of warfare. It may be necessary to lead every attack with a blanket EMP weapon or a directed energy EMP weapon. This is to ensure that your missiles have a clear path towards their very specific destination. So count on missiles which have active RADAR on board to self detonate when in close proximity to incoming defensive or offensive missiles or both. These Missiles can be used in a push back strategy.
So when in survival mode. Keep your tech in the properly built Faraday cage at all times and properly protected. There may not be just one EMP detonation. There may be many. Especially when the actual conflict begins to get close to you. Close can be a relative term when dealing with nuclear and EMP.
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Here is very real life news that no one is reading. Except you. Read below and then follow your own thinking. Russia and the USA had expelled two each of the others diplomats. This is usually a sign before war goes hot. European and American military's are being deployed to the Russian borders. It doesn't matter who the bad guy is. Your just a common person. Anything which happens will have a direct affect upon you and your family. The US has deployed 6 Aircraft carrier battle groups to various places and has the rest are in docks for repairs, refits and modernization's or all of the above.  This is very uncommon for the USA.

I really hope this a rumor of war and not become hot. But, Ukraine is mobilizing their approximately 2800 Main Battle Tanks right now along the front line with Russia.
There is a lot more militarily going on than I have stated here. The seriousness is very dire. I hope reasonable cool heads emerge. A WW3 Will not be a WW2. WW3 will be global and with minimal front line activity. WW3 will also involve attacks in orbital space.
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http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-us-navy-has-deployed-six-aircraft.html
http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/06/14/six-aircraft-carriers-underway-marks-milestone-navy-top-officer.html
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/americas-most-advanced-aircraft-carrier-ever-could-set-sail-16877
http://hanfordsentinel.com/lemoorenavynews/fleet_and_navy/double-down-in-the-pacific-dual-carrier-flight-operations-underway/article_20559af4-1229-526b-bd10-549e5587a0b6.html
https://www.stratfor.com/topics/military/tracking-u.s.-naval-power
http://georgiatoday.ge/news/4207/Major-Russian-Military-Mobilization-May-Lead-to-Cold-War-style-Standoff-
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2016/07/05/back-basics-army-dials-up-traditional-soldiering-once-again/86005952/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a20134/marines-had-to-scrounge-for-f-a-18-parts-at-a-museum/
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/04/marines-are-flying-only-60-of-f-18-hornets-they-need/
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Russian Police attack Diplomat. In Russian video.
http://www.ntv.ru/video/1294800/
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-expels-russian-diplomats-over-moscow-cops-tackle-of-us-official/2016/07/08/a58188f4-4547-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-expels-american-diplomats-in-response-to-u-s-move-1468079385
https://www.rt.com/news/348793-russian-diplomats-harassed-us/
https://www.rt.com/news/350329-moscow-mfa-diplomats-expelled/
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 Added on 14 July 2016: Russia News:
https://www.rt.com/news/350986-russia-nato-encroachment-punishment/
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/07/14/13/23/russia-flexes-military-muscle-with-snap-war-games
https://www.rt.com/news/350958-nato-council-security-russia/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-detains-deports-us-propaganda-chief-nbcuniversal-chair-jeff-shell/
https://www.thenation.com/article/can-europe-stop-washingtons-military-provocations-on-russias-borders/

Can the USA, NATO and other allies all plan for a war and not tell their own people? Is all that they are doing designed to provoke a response from Russia in secret? Is this the game to provoke a response in order to appear to be the good guys. So who are the bad guys here and who are the good guys. I'm starting to think this is more serious than the Cuban missile crisis. Do you remember that ordeal from the history books? And virtually no one cares to be aware of this. It is only the threat of war. Yes, It seems it will start in Europe. But, It will go into those assets in orbit and then onto the helpless mainland USA. Which has zero defenses. Remember that was how (MAD) Mutually Assured Destruction is supposed to work and yet Russia is very well defended from any flying threat.
http://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/cuban-missile-crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction
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18-22 July 2016: Turkey has Nukes from NATO and the USA. Count the Nukes. I believe Turkey is now lost to NATO and will become a part of the Islamic Caliphate with Nuclear weapons. It may already be to late for NATO or the USA to retrieve the nuclear weapons and their delivery systems. If it is not to late. Get those NUKES NOW. Get those nukes out of Turkey. All of them.
The American air base in Turkey is still without power as of reporting 13-22 hours ago. Everyone under lock down since the Coup in Turkey.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/17/turkey-coup-plot-president-erdogan-rounds-up-thousands-of-soldie/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/17/turkey-coup-attempt-raises-fears-over-safety-of-us-nuclear-stockpile
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/07/18/dependents-and-possibly-nukes-staying-put-in-turkey-pentagon.html
https://www.rt.com/news/352119-turkey-purge-coup-attempt/
https://www.rt.com/news/352148-wikileaks-turkey-government-emails/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-expresses-concern-over-turkeys-state-emergency-070157060.html?nhp=1
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/germany-expresses-concern-turkeys-state-emergency-40761242
http://www.stripes.com/news/carter-incirlik-power-expected-to-be-back-on-soon-1.420218
http://usdefensewatch.com/2016/07/turkey-u-s-airmen-their-families-locked-down-at-air-base/
http://www.incirlik.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/851466/incirlik-continues-operations
http://www.incirlik.af.mil/
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It seems that every Mosque is a multi purpose facility. It's primary design is to be used as a military barracks and all  of the believers are actually soldiers. Read actual quote from Mr. Erdogan.

“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers"
―Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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For future watching. Italy also has nukes at two bases. Italy may become the crown jewel for Islam. France is in the perfect place as a launching point for any action against Rome. By creating so much chaos, fear and uncertainty. Will allow Islam to easily bring in holy warriors, weapons and bombs. These coming Islamic holy warriors will be the nicest, most productive and most obedient of all Europeans. Until, the time arises that they are to move and sack Catholic Rome. While at the same time. These Islamic holy warriors will also be the most highly physically fit, highly trained in hand to hand combat and in a variety of weapons.
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Jonathon Cahn Updates: It is highly recommended that you study this man. Buy his books. Logically and emotionally Repent and begin your freely self chosen path to Jesus/righteousness. Which shall include a history of prayer and fasting. As with anything. You check everything from the Bible. Are we the ones alive today who will see the elimination of the USA from the world?
https://youtu.be/By-PANMZONk
https://youtu.be/n0R6Prmrlhw
https://youtu.be/pQLrf_taM-g
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Added on 20 July 2016: The new British Prime Minister Theresa May on Nuclear war. Only after 9 days of becoming Prime Minister. Supports LGBT rights. Could she become the Christian prophesied harlot? Or will Hillary Clinton still win the presidency to become the harlot?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_May
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/trident-theresa-may-prepared-authorise-nuclear-strike-that-could-kill-100000-people-1571269?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo
-----Russia to launch military satellites---
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Seven_Soyuz_Rockets_to_Be_Constructed_for_Russian_Defense_Ministry_in_2016_999.html
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Added on 31 July 2016:
Turkey in the news again. This time. Turkish police and military forces surround NATO Incirlik Airbase.
NATO and US personnel needs to abandon Turkey. Remove all personnel and all assets ASAP. Yes, this include all nuclear weapons. I would also destroy all buildings and runways. Turkey is lost.
There is zero news from any western mainstream News Media outlets. This is suspicious.
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https://www.rt.com/news/354042-turkish-police-incirlik-nato-coup/
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160731/1043797161/incirlik-turkey-erdogan-nato-nukes.html
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/turkey-7000-armed-police-in-heavy-vehicles-surround-nato-air-base-after-huge-rally-accuses-us-of-role-in-failed-coup
http://www.news.com.au/world/reports-turkish-troops-have-sealed-off-incirlik-usnato-nuclear-air-base/news-story/4d7bb16e4e86842218b5b0d7d70f582b
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/215743
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Added on 07 Aug 2016: Who is at fault? Who are the good guys? Why does not the American media report on this. Black lives matter but not Russian lives. Does NATO and the USA support a leader who is destroying and killing civilians who can only run away. Is this genocide in action? Is the American Government supporting genocide in action against civilians who cannot defend themselves? Go and research non-propaganda materials. It will take some effort to find them.
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56 minute video report: Last 4 minutes graphical importance.
 https://youtu.be/CCNa9OqRsUE

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Added on 13 April 2018:
Yes, WW3 will go hot. The USA will lose and permanently end. The great experiment will conclude. Russia's and China's victory will be short lived. Long enough for the Russian leader to die. Then the truth shall be realized. All of humanity has become the greatest loser on this planet. One reason why all of this is going to happen is because of the purple words below. So all of humanity becomes extinct except for those few selected souls who are taken. The entire Earth reverts back to a molten ball of fire. Causing all which has ever been known to disappear. There is more than one way to prevent all of which is coming. By wanting to become like the purple words below.
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Added on 13 April 2018: I'm not anti-American and you should not consider anything I write as anti-American. You should know that we are a nation of "We the people" which means all actions of our government is all collectively all of our faults. Which includes the passing of any law which is contrary to the will and laws of God. When we the people vote and put into place laws based on sin. It will be we the people who will pay the consequences for all of those sinful laws. When we the people allow sin to openly show itself in the public square. It is we the people who will pay for allowing it, permitting it and doing nothing to stop it. Do not think for one single moment that the blood of babies will not fall upon your own head and it will not matter how much you disagreed with it.
For righteous Judgement will come for "We the People".
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Added on 09 May 2018:
The Holy Bible does teach that any bad and sad prophecy can be mitigated or prevented. Once clear revelation is made. Everything can change. It is now known openly what Russia is planning for Alaska and North west Canada invasion. It is now openly known what Russia is planning to do with the build up of a strategic first strike option as well as having the capability to defend its own entire land mass against any aerial attack of any kind. What do you think the Russian plan is? Russia has been able to create new and modernized weapons while the USA has become an old worn out war horse. Even though that old worn out war horse will still kick your teeth in.
The Americans themselves can change their coming judgement just as Nineveh had done in those days of Jonah. The Americans must collectively repent and flee from all sin. The Americans must collectively seek the righteous and holy path in all aspects of their lives. A clue is the purple words below. Then maybe, God will stay his wrath for a while. But, there is that one last innocent soul and if he/she is harmed and maybe murdered then all bets are off.
You professed Christians who do nothing and fear for your own safety. So you are quiet and refuse to participate in your own government that God has given to you. Well, The evil doers are taking it all and the USA will become a New Babylon or already has. Once those evil doers have been elected to all offices at every level of city, county, state and federal government. You Christians will be denied access into any free use of society. Christians will continue to be jailed. Christians will continue to lose their businesses, wealth and livelihoods. Christians will be accused, harmed and murdered. With zero option for any justice. Except for those who are underneath the throne of God. So enjoy these last few years of plenty. For the next many years you Christians will want and receive not. Then you may realize that both Russia and China will bring judgement to your nation and their will be nothing you can do to stop it. For even the righteous in Israel had to endure the fall of their nation and became enslaved eunuchs.
Russia and china will glory in their one sided victory. All of Islam will celebrate as they participate in millions of atrocities all over America, Canada and Europe daily. Hispanics and Latinos will rush back to their native lands only to endure and die at the face of evil. Which will be before them all.
But, God will cause this entire planet to revert back to its original liquid and molten state of purification. All of humanity which was left on this planet will be completely erased. Yes, all! Including all Russian and all Chinese. God used you for His righteous judgement and then ended all of you. No one will win, not any human or any angel. Righteous judgement comes for us all. Only God wins. So enjoy your coffee and chocolates today. Put forth a good day of work. Go see your families and friends. Tell them all of those important positive things you should tell them. Express love, seek forgiveness and offer forgiveness. Then if you continue on in these endeavors and actually begin to love and to cause no soul any harm. Then maybe.
Are we in the end times yet? Yes and no. Living in Florida its like waiting on a hurricane. You know it is coming as you hope and pray it will go another way. But, the prayers of the righteous availeth much. If you are not righteous and holy in the eyes of God. Then maybe your not one of His children. Even though you may have been in the church or religion for decades.
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Late evening. I forgot to add.
Once the USA and Europe are neutralized for their evil disobedience and they will. China will take over Russia. Russia will not have enough bullets, bombs, population or missiles. Islam will focus on China and the separatist Russian states. Islam will also execute or sacrifice the Catholic Pope and the rest of the catholic leadership upon the Pope's own altar in Rome.
Once hostilities begin. About 5 billion souls will die in the first 3.5 years. The human population of earth will continue to diminish until zero population is achieved in about than 100 years or less. But, the creator of this solar system will arrive and He will be very upset. No negotiations. No mercy. Probably no talking. He will cause the entire planet to become a molten liquid fire ball for the purposes of purification. All that which remains in the Earth system. Will be erased. Except that which He decides to save. So what do you wanna do ye rulers of the world. Being obedient to the fallen prince leads to the end result I just finger pecked into this wired typewriter board. Guess what the fallen prince who causes you to believe he is a god. He Knows his fate and is bringing humanity with him. The purple words below is one way to prevent or mitigate all bad and sad prophecies.
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11 May 2018: News check.
Ask yourselves. Which countries support either Israel or Iran?  This is how things can go out of control. Especially since China is the trigger which begins the extinction process for all of humanity. To be this trigger is a choice that the entire Chinese leadership has made through their actions. It matters not if the Chinese leadership even considers themselves as any kind of trigger or under the trigger finger of some unknown entity which will squeeze them. How to take that step back? Especially Russia, China, NATO and the USA? To change the future? It is all about your actions. If each of your individual actions are peaceful and based on the foundation of love. Then The coming extinction of humanity can be mitigated for a time like as was told about in the story of Jonah. While at the same time it is prophesied that stars will fall and cause much destruction and death. If I remember correctly. One will fall in an ocean and the other on land. So if all of the powerful nations work together instead of against each other to mitigate these two coming problems. Then maybe those fates will be mitigated to some unknown degree. Which means all of those important nations remove the funding to build their war machines and into protecting our Earth from whatever might be out there.
China's other possible future. China leads the whole human race out further than we have ever been before. All China has to do is stop building their own war machines and move all of those funds into their own space agency (CNSA). I've already written about this in older writings. China is both the best hope and the worst fate. Besides if you remove the trigger then who has the power squeeze you?
Russia and China still have much propaganda power in the world. Yet, they do not use it. Which means a status quo is in effect. Maybe it will remain in effect until both Russia and China know they can economically survive an economically hard bankrupt USA.
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I Think Iran just tested Israel. Iran paid. But also the God of Israel will also curse the Iranian military in some way. All of you world leaders need to know that how you bless or curse Israel will also become your own reward or curse upon you. Think about this Russia. In some prophecies the majority of Israel is destroyed and yet you are also destroyed by China. China will also suffer deeply when and if they send their military into any action against israel. China may think they can lose some. But if the God of Israel decides to repay by percentage. That would become a very hard hit for China and Russia. So be warned. Israel is in sin and may be made to pay for their sins again. Even if God uses you to slap Israel. You will still have to pay because the God of Israel already said it a long time ago. Those who bless Israel He will Bless and those who curse Israel He will curse. So you may win - but not!
As of today and right now. The whole of the end time events for all of humanity is still very valid. The entire world system will not only end but it all will be erased and the whole of the Earth purified. But, all of humanity still have a choice. Except for those who have already been judged.
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12 June 2018: USA going isolationist? Via President Trump's attitude. Will this cause all of Europe to become better economic friends with Russia and China? Can and will this economic trade offset all monies with the USA? Can this begin an economic downturn for the USA?
Strategically this will be a boon for both Russia and China. If relations get worse between the USA and the rest of their own allies. Then any attack on the USA from North Korea, Russia, China or even an Islamic style Tet offensive all over the USA or all of the above at one time. They all will turn a deaf ear to the plight of the Americans.
Russia would have to alter their plans from forming a beachhead in the northernmost region of the Yukon Territory in Canada. From a canadian beachhead. the Russian forces can quickly sweep south by southwest into Alaska. Thus, reaching Fairbanks and those pesky missiles at Ft. Greely. Since the Canadian government is now upset with the USA. To keep the Canadians from defending the USA which isn't really substantial. Then the Russians would want to stay off of Canada Territories. By doing so the rest of Europe won't get involved either. Whose prophecies is that? Nostradamus.
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Added on 18 June 2018:
Worldwide total Nuclear bomb inventory stands at about 14,465? down from 14,935? from last year. Good news? maybe? Unless the nations are better at hiding them all. You know the old strategy of hiding your strategic reserve forces.
President Putin of Russia. Is still making headway on his total missile offensive and defensive shield. This is further evidence that Russia has left MAD a long time ago and continues to do so in secrecy. Except when satellites imagery shows the evidence of possible placements of mobile intermediate missiles which can have EMP and nuclear warheads. The recent missile salvo of four White Sea launch from a submarine is further evidence that Russia is threatening Norway, Sweden, Finland and all of Europe. But, Russia must test being able to launch missiles through the ice sheet.
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It is up to you to ascertain authenticity of any story I post at any time and anywhere. I use copy and paste for your safety and security. What you see is what you get.
https://russiandefpolicy.blog/
https://russiandefpolicy.blog/tag/ssbns/
https://youtu.be/NhGb_YfRpSU
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Added on 09 July 2018:
Iran and North Korea are threatening again. China made President Trump blink. Rumors of a civil war emerge in the USA as the liberal socialist supporters attack anyone who supports President Trump at the encouragement of elected leaders. New from Russia that they are officially out of MAD and other treaties. Well not really official but through their new weapons programs. To me actions is louder than words. Russia still building up their military infrastructure in the North. Which is becoming more than just a defensive picket and an invasion staging area. Just like the Chinese aircraft carrier islands in the South China sea. China may be able to sweep all the way through New Zealand and Australia without encountering much defense from Australia or New Zealand. When and if China and Russia begin their hot war of WW3. They will use a kill them all approach. Russia will have to as the Russian military personnel is few in comparison to what China can build. This is an old communistic approach. This is before eliminating any and all probable human threats which is typically ten percent of the population. But in nations which have been free for as long as the USA has been. That ten percent may go as high as fifty percent of threats to be killed by any communist takeover. But, before the Russian and Chinese alliance of nations can go forth. The USA must be eliminated from world affairs.

To weaken American or any other nation through destabilization is always a good strategy. This American civil war threat is a part of it. I wonder if outside nations are supporting the democratic party and the liberal socialists in their activities. There will be a first shot fired. The liberal socialist democrat will attack and bully the wrong helpless Trump supporter. Blood will flow. If not prestaged by upset Trump supporters.
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Added on 20 Aug 2018:
Yes, there will be a hot war as of this writing. It will not matter who starts it, triggers it or plans it. For when it begins it only begins the human extinction process which will last about 100 years. It matters not if your in a secret government deep underground bunker. You to will die - alone. The only living souls saved are those saved by God and those souls are probably genuine to the purple words below in addition to the Christian faith.
The purpose of any prophecy is to elicit change, to offer hope of mitigation and or prevention. Through free human decision and planning. A prophecy which is known as a certainty still offers mitigation. A prophecy based on humanities free will still offers prevention or delay. The human extinction process which I continually write about is all based on humanities choices through their/our free will. So our extinction can be prevented - if???
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Note: even though I've written those purple words below. I'm a deeply flawed and sinful human being. So my fate is as it shall be determined. I will most likely have to endure unto my end however it may happen. Be warned once saved always saved may be another false teaching. For if you have spoken the professed words of faith and yet you continue to cause harm and purposefully plan to do sins tomorrow or even this day. Your probably not a christian and it matters not how long you have pastored churches. For you are just like the fallen angels. They knew better just like you know better and they were refused any manner of forgiveness. You and I need to remember we human beings have been given everything and every opportunity. Look at how much more we have than in the days of Noah or Moses. We have had Jesus, The Holy Bible is complete, The promise of forgiveness and everlasting life, We have the Holy Spirit and yet we all collectively refuse all of it.  Through actions and the speaking of empty words. Remember first was the flood. Then comes the fire. It matters not how well you planned your survival of the coming doomsday of our decided suicide. The only way to survive is to leave the planet and that will only happen if you or we are allowed to leave of our own volition. Which is very unlikely. So even if we could safely get to Mars or whatever the real name of that orange planet is. We may not be allowed to leave here.
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16 Nov 2018: Can an American civil war begin WWIII or will it be like the collapse of the USSR? Can a new traitor who is and had/has deep friendships with the former traitors become embraced by by those who follow good. Can this traitorous golden wolf lead the Christian sheep into slaughterous disaster with a song?
Some prophecies predict one and two coming American civil wars. Even the victors will still be losers. Train of thought on this is over or am I not allowed to write of this civil war? I can come up with many different scenarios. One of which is an old prophecy where Russia becomes a hero. China is still destroyed and losing 78-85% of their population and 100% of their entire leadership including all  leadership family members. Either way the human extinction process does begin. There seems to be only a relative few human choices to prevent our extinction. This leads to the purple words below.
If China diverts the majority of their military funds towards space. I saw complete visions about this.
If the Christians actually retake their inherent responsibility of all levels of elected governmental duties. Thus, returning the USA back to the peaceful nation it once was.
If Israel returns to a nation of righteousness and holiness. The Israelis cannot allow any sin inside of the borders of what was ancient Israel.
If Russia, Right now I'm not sure. It is like that Russia is empty. The purple words.
If western Europe? The Purple words.
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Added on 05-07 Oct 2019:
WWIII and tactical nuclear war news. How it is all survivable. Here is a song for all of this new news. https://youtu.be/mfJhMfOPWdE
In the near future prior to any nuclear exchange. Special Forces teams and embedded spies will go forth by the thousands and dismantle all manner of defensive systems. Which will include all power and all forms of communications. Sure the short term causalities from any nuclear exchange will be seen as it is. But, the prolonged effects out to 100 years after the nuclear weapons exchange will be the extinction of the human species.
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Image date: 06/18/2016
Against the USA a very powerful nuclear powered directional and selectable sweeping DEW located in Cuba will be used against MacDill AFB. and all the way up past Atlanta Georgia. The arc of coverage will most likely include all of Florida and outward towards Beaumont Texas. It is already in use now. This is an act of war.
23°05'09.80" N  81°26'03.14" W
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tweet: #macdill #AirForce #Cuba #DEW 23°05'09.80" N 81°26'03.14" W. Image date: 06/18/2016 Acts of #war ongoing. Affects can be seen on weather RADAR's when in use. Range Arc? #Beaumont to all of #Florida and #Atlanta. #USA #Russian #nuclear #powered.
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/125-million-people-dead-if-india-and-pakistan-start-tragic-nuclear-war-86171
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/%E2%80%98limited%E2%80%99-nuclear-war-quickly-could-kill-90-million-people-85686
https://www.businessinsider.com/tactical-nuclear-weapons-escalation-us-russia-war-animated-strike-map-2019-9
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-nuclear-weapons-are-rather-overrated-85321
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-09-24-a-clear-shot-of-the-tactical-nuke-in-call-of-duty-modern-warfare
http://www.ipsnews.net/2019/09/risk-nuclear-war-increasing/
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-10/focus/one-planet-is-all-you-get
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Added on 07 Oct 2019:
You know, I know more than I should as a janitor. I can tell you this. Your civilian population needs to learn how to effectively and accurately use very large caliber guns. You need to expand your sniper training programs. You secret people know as I do. That some threats require a .50 as a .223 will just tickle. I would highly suspect this. That when the two brothers of the north begin to fight. The real threat may come in force. When the whole world begins to fight each other. The real threat to us all will come in force and just ..................................................................................... We are just maggots and worms. Just as it was in the days of Noah. What all of the people knew then so to will humanity today will know. Shocking. There will be no victory. Only the option of returning this planet to a molten liquid fireball. I think that is what you all have decided. Because, you know ....................
This is why the purple words below is so important. There is no more powerful military weapon than love.
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Added on 21 Oct 2019: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2019/10/21/prepare_for_the_worst_114802.html
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26 June 2024: When the civilian population of this world begins to see many satellites burning up in the atmosphere. Then WWIII has actually gone hot. The probable definition of many is most likely allot. The sight of silent glowing orbs in orbit which seem only last for a bout a minute or so. 
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GO AND SIN NO MORE.
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To avert all of the coming bad and sad prophecies. We each must decide to do the following everyday, every hour, every minute and every second.

To Love one another.

To live in peace with everyone.

To exist in harmony with all.

To Cherish all life.

To be obedient to the Laws of God.

To become righteous and holy by the accepting eyes of God only.
All without pride, ego, arrogance, supremacy or entitlements.
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